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the situation that NOPAGE was designed to cover, given that Allen's only apparent claim to prominence is having won this state pageant, there's no significant sourced biographical information beyond the standard date/parents/high school/hometown info available about damn near every living person in
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is a blog post on the website of the local radio station, the sum total of which is "Tomorrow (Saturday) is the Miss
Wyoming send off event in Lander. Holly Allen of Lander will be traveling to Las Vegas soon for the Miss U.S.A. pageant and she is raising money for her trip. Tomorrow afternoon from
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Yes. It's a stub in need of expansion. That's never a rationale for deletion. Also, these competitions are not a "contest for looking good" any more than the acting Oscars are won by "talking pretty in a costume" or the
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4pm to 8pm. The Museum of the
American West will be hosting a County Cook out dinner for $ 10. Proceeds will help Allen get to Las Vegas for the competition." Even if it wasn't obviously the station's local events blog, this is a news blip explicitly debarred by
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