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discussion here. Article meets all guidelines in terms of having reliable independent sources that comment upon both the plot-related aspects as well as real-world related aspects of the subject. Plus, this fictional species is well-known as being one of the first widely documented descriptions of a species that is not based upon carbon chemistry.
139:. While I agree that Klingons and Vulcans and such should have articles of their own, the Horta never really got past "alien menace of the week" status. As far as content goes, the article doesn't get anymore in depth about the Horta than the episode's article, which makes the Horta article redundant. 467:
and a few other isolated characters scattered throughout the available media. A merge to that location is therefore inappropriate, as it would be irrelevant to discuss these additional works in that article. That these are not considered by Star Trek fans to be "canon" does not prevent their
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No, but it does mean a merge to just one of the media that contain this species is totally inappropriate, as it would mean having to discuss Duane's series of novels on a page about a TV episode, which is nonsensical. The only merge that makes any sense is into the list of star trek races.
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unless we can find some reliable sources which cover the subject in significant detail. By reliable sources I mean non-fictional sources. That they appear in Star Trek Novels (canon or not) isn't something that helps us write an article free from UNDUE weight and original research.
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I think that's because the auto-complete function of the find box now comes with existing suggestions, instead of things you've looked for before. It makes redirects with words in parentheses much more likely to be found through the find
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So? That's another Knowledge (XXG) article. Knowledge (XXG) is riddled with crappy fanboy "in popular culture" and "in fiction" sections. Notice how poorly sourced that section of the article is.--
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So then it isn't "widely documented." For one I'd be pretty surprised if the Horta were anywhere near the first appearance of a non-carbon based species in sci-fi.
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Plus, this fictional species is well-known as being one of the first widely documented descriptions of a species that is not based upon carbon chemistry.
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Who says we have to discuss the novels on the page? Here's an idea, we could just write a blurb about the horta on whatever page those novels have
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I don't have a good source to hand, but might find time to look for one later. For now, consider the fact that it is the first item listed in
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has since added some sourced real word perspective to the article so I struck that sentence from my nomination.--
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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with no prejudice against restoring the full article if additional information is added or sources found (
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specifies that as long as someone finds it useful, that's enough. We don't need any number of hits. --
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that comes from a TV or film source. The authors of that page clearly considered it important.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Well that's the point of this afd. If I thought the Horta was notable enough to be discussed
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makes the most sense for now. Not really enough content for a whole article, though. --
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There are 2 suggested places to redirect/merge to. Could you state your preference?--
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Furthermore, no real world perspective present anywhere in the article and unsourced.
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and then merge the content in the Horta page to the episode they appear in.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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hits last month, so that's not an "unlikely search term". --
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list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions
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Suitable for Memory Alpha, but not Knowledge (XXG).
248:sounds best to me, since it's more in keeping with 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 688:). No further edits should be made to this page. 8: 203:- Not notable enough for its own article. 637:: This debate has been included in the 459:. 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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
The Devil in the Dark
non-admin closure
Ron Ritzman
talk
00:27, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Horta (Star Trek)
Horta (Star Trek)
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
episode
Atlan
talk
19:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
User:A Nobody
Atlan
talk
09:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The Devil in the Dark
EEMIV

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