484:. No notability demonstrated, and I don't think we should have articles about Wikis that haven't received coverage. Nothing against the creator, had he added a couple of references (which should not be hard to find, local newspapers in Argentina have covered Knowledge (XXG) as a whole and the Spanish Knowledge (XXG) in particular, I guess newspaper or reliable sites from Hawaii had done that as well for this wiki) this discussion would be moot. Knowledge (XXG) is somewhat biased in certain aspects (like allowing Wikia links instead of considering them spam just to promote Wikia ranking), but we are talking about articles, not just external links now. --
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But I have yet to find any class of article that has a similar precedent for delete... every article stands on its own merit... so to nominate the perceived weakest article in a group with the claim that it will be the precedent for a deletionfest is, IMHO, really poor form, and so I am inclined to keep it just to oppose that kind of insidious process manipulation.
733:. Cites no references, I can't find any, and given that any topic related to Knowledge (XXG) attracts lots of editors for obvious reasons this probably means there aren't any references anywhere. Knowledge (XXG) projects are not inherently notable, and if the project was not related to Knowledge (XXG) its article would have been deleted very easily.
48:. There is no inherent notabililty for any Knowledge (XXG) version, like each article and subject is has to be judged on its own merits. Looking at the opinions expressed in this discussion in this light, the consensus seems to be to either delete it, or to redirect it. As redirects are cheap, I close this discussion as redirect.
1036:. That is the whole reason for the AfD process, so Articles can be evaluated on their individual merits or lack thereof. Please, feel free to point out to me where these precedents you speak of are recorded in an uneditable and set in stone form. Do you not find it intresting that ther very first 'Keep' !vote in this AfD Citing
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That's a disgraceful accusation, that I've picked on the weakest example & sought to make a precedent out of it. I stumbled across the
Hawaiian Knowledge (XXG) & nominated it. I'm fairly sure there are weaker examples. AGF completely and utterly out of the window. It really sucks to have that
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Were this website not a sister site to en.wikipedia, would it have an article in wikipedia? It has 1216 articles ... not notable. By the looks of the template on the article, there are another thirty or so articles equally not notable to be taken into consideration, so we'd better use this AFD as the
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Why? Notability is certainly not inherited in that direction - if I wrote a web page about some notable topic, that web page wouldn't suddenly become notable. Keep in mind that we don't grant special notability to
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Well, suffice it to say: one AfD, a precedent does not make. But there are certain huge classes of AfD's, say High
Schools, for example, where none ever ever ever get deleted, so it would be convenient, sometimes, if the deletionists would just accept the inevitable and just stop nominating them.
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1012:... we have another 20 or so of these articles to do. This AFD references previous AFDs. The next 20 will reference this, assuming this one passes. --
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