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822:, whatever the general notability guideline might say. Guidelines are our servants, not our masters, so we shouldn't defer to them when basic common sense and human decency indicate that an article should be deleted. This chant might have been funny in one or two matches when Johnson was bowling rather waywardly, but the joke and its trivial ephemeral coverage are over now. 398:
reaction of the Barmy Army is spooky. Instead of pointing and singing in your face, they don't even notice you are there. Worse, they seem to take pity. This was the horrible predicament I found myself in while watching the Barmy Army soak up the action from Bay 11 at the SCG yesterday. For the first time in more than 20...
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legendarily gutsy 210 in intense heat during a Test at Madras in 1986 (and ended up on a saline drip as a result), has got the ball rolling with the suggestion that they turn to Steve Waugh. "Cricket Australia needs to sign Steve Waugh as the head coach of the Australian cricket team immediately," Jones says. "Australian...
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A WEEK AT A TIME Weekend Australian (Australia) - January 8, 2011 Length: 881 words (Estimated printed pages: 3) England's run of success not over NOW our Ashes shame is complete, the AWAAT team has decided to bow in humility, man up and accept that the sporting world has changed forever. It
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Let's just keep reading everything completely literally, shall we? And given the coverage in The Mail amounts to online commentary and a "that was the week that was" column I wouldn't be hanging my hat on it providing the required significant coverage. The other coverage is all about Johnson with a
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Sources seem to indicate it has independent notability as a song, making merge inappropriate and deletion even less appropriate. It's not a very good article, but it's not a very good song. NPA does not apply to our dispassionate reporting of verifiable things, and BLP does not proscribe it either.
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It's Waugh time, Jones urges Aussie selectors - Sport ASHES DIARY, Independent, The (London, England) - January 8, 2011 Length: 475 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) Aussie cricket chiefs can expect plenty of advice over the next few weeks. Former Baggy Green batsman Dean Jones, who scored a
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those two articles are the same AFP report published by two papers. User names have nothing too do with this. Apart from the articles written by one of the chant's creators all the articles are about the effect of the chant on Johnson, and as such it only deserves to be a paragraph in the Johnson
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Going Barmy as a one-man army - - The Ashes Daily Telegraph (Sydney, Australia) - January 7, 2011 Length: 497 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) TO TRULY understand how low Australia have sunk, you need to sit in the middle of the Barmy Army decked out in canary yellow cricket attire. The
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Barmy Army enjoy chance to blow their own trumpet Times, The (London, England) - January 8, 2011 Length: 433 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) It was not possible to get a precise figure because entry was free on the fifth morning, but Cricket Australia estimated that more than 17,000
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Fans have long history of sledging, Geelong Advertiser (Australia) - May 20, 2011, Length: 241 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) RUSSELL Robertson's campaign to stamp out unruly crowd behaviour at local footy matches has created a big stir around Geelong. The former Melbourne AFL star, who is
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utter non-notable. Receives no reliable third party coverage. Worthy of a mention perhaps in the main player article, but a chant directed at one player based on one Test series in one year is not notable, no matter how many pro-Pom sites want to mention it to razzle the Aussies, or how often
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The two refs that mention the chant in detail are both written by a member of the barmy army, the supporters group that created the chant. Not really independent. This article is currently in a DYK prep area witha hook that I think is inappropriate and against our NPA/BLP principles.
736:. I agree that the chant is notable, but I don't see why it can't be a section of the article on Mitchell Johnson. GNG notes that the criteria it states "establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion", and specifically mentions the guideline that 394:
is now a fait accompli that England will win the next soccer World Cup. It is also inevitable an Englishman will win the Wimbledon tennis tittle and that the Land of Hope and Glory will produce a surfing world champion. The least we at AWAAT can do is to salute and dedicate...
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reliable sources, so the chant does not meet GNG. Added to this are the obivous BLP concerns, which make it a clear delete in my eyes. Ridiculous that anyone thought putting "Mitchell Johnson's bowling is shite" on the main page wasn't a BLP vio.
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I don't believe that a newspaper article written by one of the people who made up the chant can be considered independent, even if the article was carried in a newspaper that normally would be considered independent.
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at the very least. This sort of pis-taking is funny at an Ashes game when Johnson is actually bowling but it is entirely inappropriate as an article on WP. Would the site allow articles called
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if they hear offensive language coming from over the boundary. It prompted In & Under to recall some famous incidents of sports stars copping unwanted abuse from crowds. Unfortunately,...
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None of these sources even seem to mention the chant. I'm assuming they must later on in the articles, but a passing mention is a long way from significant coverage.
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I've just added a couple of book sources (one of them Wisden) but I still ask, are UK and Australian national newspapers not reliable 3rd party sources?
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article, not a stand alone article. No independent notability. We don't make articles about every topic that appears in the tabloid press.
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to Mitchell Johnson who will remain famous long after the temporary notoriety of this particular chant will be long forgotten. --
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So are you saying that several national newspapers in the UK and Australia are not reliable 3rd party coverage?
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watched England's momentous win at the Sydney Cricket Ground. Unsurprisingly, only a few hundred were Aus
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Does every chant about a sportsman require its own article? Plenty of chants receive media coverage
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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gets media coverage. That doesn't make the chant worthy of its own article IMO.
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At best this should be a paragraph in Johnson's article. Not notable.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Not quite, one of the sources in the article is quite recent.
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passing mention of the chant. No independent notability.
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