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reaction of the Barmy Army is spooky. Instead of pointing and singing in your face, they don't even notice you are there. Worse, they seem to take pity. This was the horrible predicament I found myself in while watching the Barmy Army soak up the action from Bay 11 at the SCG yesterday. For the first time in more than 20...
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legendarily gutsy 210 in intense heat during a Test at Madras in 1986 (and ended up on a saline drip as a result), has got the ball rolling with the suggestion that they turn to Steve Waugh. "Cricket
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A WEEK AT A TIME Weekend
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Johnson with a
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It's Waugh time, Jones urges Aussie selectors - Sport ASHES DIARY, Independent, The (London, England) - January 8, 2011 Length: 475 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) Aussie cricket chiefs can expect plenty of advice over the next few weeks. Former Baggy Green batsman Dean Jones, who scored a
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Barmy Army enjoy chance to blow their own trumpet Times, The (London, England) - January 8, 2011 Length: 433 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) It was not possible to get a precise figure because entry was free on the fifth morning, but
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utter non-notable. Receives no reliable third party coverage. Worthy of a mention perhaps in the main player article, but a chant directed at one player based on one Test series in one year is not notable, no matter how many pro-Pom sites want to mention it to razzle the
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The two refs that mention the chant in detail are both written by a member of the barmy army, the supporters group that created the chant. Not really independent. This article is currently in a DYK prep area witha hook that I think is inappropriate and against our NPA/BLP principles.
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England will win the next soccer World Cup. It is also inevitable an Englishman will win the Wimbledon tennis tittle and that the Land of Hope and Glory will produce a surfing world champion. The least we at AWAAT can do is to salute and dedicate...
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