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It feels like the problem here is that there is insufficient commentary on the historical club such that the article feels like an advert for the modern reincarnation. Maybe we could de-emphasise the modern iteration by adding a Modern
Headstrong Club paragraph at the end in same way that the page on
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Knowledge, we don't need to fudge the title of the article -- historical researchers would likely look it up under
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