335:
a lot of REALLY obscure people that are really not deserving of an article. For example, there are "top level" leagues in countries like
Colombia that don't even have websites, and are akin to sandlot or at best independent or A-ball quality in the United States. However, as the rules are written, they are just as deserving of an article as Babe Ruth. That seems a bit wrong. If Player X plays in Venezuela, he is article worthy, even though the competition is not much better than the United States' minor leagues. However, if Player Y plays in the U.S. minors and does just as well as Player X, he doesn't get an article because he didn't play in a de facto "top league." That is off. Players like this maybe deserve articles on the Baseball Reference Bullpen, not Knowledge (XXG).
386:
You are insinuating then that being a minor league All-Star is inherently notable, which it too is not. Is every Purple Heart winner deserving of an article? Is every member of a rotary club Hall of Fame worthy of an article? The notability of those accomplishments are akin to the notability of being
334:
That rule really needs tweaking then. There is no way a person who plays in a relatively unknown (and meaningless) "top-tier level" league in a country like
Venezuela is as notable and noteworthy as someone who plays in the major leagues. I hate to go all WP:WAX-y on us, but that opens up the door to
366:
The guideline was written that way for a reason. Within the context of
Venezuelan athletics, Venezuelan professional baseball is notable, as are the participants at the top level of that sport. If we're going to have articles on Venezuela at all, then we need to cover Venezuela regardless of whether
401:
There are a hell of a lot more
Rotarians and Purple Heart winners than there are minor league All-Stars, and in my experience a player generally is the subject of enough profiles and interviews to meet GNG once he wins a spot on a minor league all-star team at A+ or above. Whether or not people at
210:
states that his status is "Active". It also states that he has pitched as recently as
December 29, 2010. He is playing for Bravos de Margarita in the Venezuelan League - the highest professional league in the country of Venezuela. Some of his teammates this past year are major league players. The
351:
Well, if someone plays for some obscure team in a country that has no websites then it would be very difficult to acquire sourcing about them.. In Totten's place, his appearance in the
Caribbean series carries more weight with me than his playing in the Venezuelan league.
265:
The
Olympics are a major amateur competition. The Caribbean Series is professionals only. Regardless, there were no Summer Olympics in 2010, so one could argue that this was the most important international baseball tournament of that year - professional or amateur.
376:
Which entirely sets aside, of course, the matter of Totten being notable purely for his minor league accomplishments. He was a two-time minor league all-star who set a record in the
Southern League. That's a pretty good case in and of itself.
367:
or not
Venezuelan things would be notable outside the particular context of that country. As to B-R bullpen, why should we care what they do or don't cover? They're a separate organization operated by a separate set of people. -
387:
a minor league All-Star. His record is nothing more than a random, unsourced tidbit, meaningless trivia. Most innings pitched without a walk is hardly anything that would merit an article, especially from a minor league.
211:
second guideline of the baseball notability guidelines: "Have appeared in at least one game in ... any other top-level national league." Having played in the top professional league of
Venezuela, I feel he qualifies.
158:
237:
states that "Sports figures are presumed notable (except as noted within a specific section) if they: 1. have participated in a major international ... professional competition at the highest level"
402:
AFD feel like actually looking for those sources is another matter, of course. As for the record, you'd do well to keep in mind that others may disagree with your interpretation of its prestige. -
189:
Non-notable, 32-year old, free agent, minor league baseball pitcher who hasn't played since 2008. His 66-73 record is far from stellar and, in my opinion, does not merit an article.
310:
119:
152:
208:
17:
92:
87:
234:
96:
49:
173:
79:
140:
440:
36:
392:
340:
256:
194:
439:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
403:
378:
368:
35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
134:
271:
242:
216:
130:
425:
406:
396:
381:
371:
361:
344:
325:
300:
275:
260:
246:
230:
220:
198:
61:
83:
388:
357:
336:
296:
252:
190:
180:
166:
75:
67:
267:
238:
212:
421:
321:
29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
353:
292:
146:
57:
417:
317:
207:"hasn't played since 2008" His page at the official Minor League Baseball website
113:
53:
433:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
251:
The Olympics are "major." The Caribbean Series is not.
109:
105:
101:
165:
179:
311:list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions
39:). No further edits should be made to this page.
443:). No further edits should be made to this page.
229:I would also note that he participated in the
8:
305:
309:: This debate has been included in the
18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
7:
235:Knowledge (XXG):Notability (sports)
24:
1:
426:21:43, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
407:22:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
397:18:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
382:17:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
372:17:06, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
362:16:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
345:05:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
326:01:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
301:23:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
276:19:31, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
261:18:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
247:22:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
221:22:38, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
199:22:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
62:00:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
460:
436:Please do not modify it.
32:Please do not modify it.
231:2010 Caribbean Series
416:per Kinston eagle.
404:Hit bull, win steak
379:Hit bull, win steak
369:Hit bull, win steak
44:The result was
328:
314:
50:non-admin closure
451:
438:
315:
184:
183:
169:
117:
99:
34:
459:
458:
454:
453:
452:
450:
449:
448:
447:
441:deletion review
434:
126:
90:
74:
71:
60:
37:deletion review
30:
22:
21:
20:
12:
11:
5:
457:
455:
446:
445:
429:
428:
410:
409:
399:
384:
374:
364:
348:
347:
329:
303:
285:
284:
283:
282:
281:
280:
279:
278:
224:
223:
187:
186:
123:
70:
65:
56:
42:
41:
25:
23:
15:
14:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
456:
444:
442:
437:
431:
430:
427:
423:
419:
415:
412:
411:
408:
405:
400:
398:
394:
390:
385:
383:
380:
375:
373:
370:
365:
363:
359:
355:
350:
349:
346:
342:
338:
333:
330:
327:
323:
319:
312:
308:
304:
302:
298:
294:
291:per Kinston.
290:
287:
286:
277:
273:
269:
268:Kinston eagle
264:
263:
262:
258:
254:
250:
249:
248:
244:
240:
239:Kinston eagle
236:
232:
228:
227:
226:
225:
222:
218:
214:
213:Kinston eagle
209:
206:
203:
202:
201:
200:
196:
192:
182:
178:
175:
172:
168:
164:
160:
157:
154:
151:
148:
145:
142:
139:
136:
132:
129:
128:Find sources:
124:
121:
115:
111:
107:
103:
98:
94:
89:
85:
81:
77:
73:
72:
69:
66:
64:
63:
59:
55:
51:
47:
40:
38:
33:
27:
26:
19:
435:
432:
413:
331:
306:
288:
204:
188:
176:
170:
162:
155:
149:
143:
137:
127:
76:Heath Totten
68:Heath Totten
45:
43:
31:
28:
153:free images
354:Spanneraol
293:Spanneraol
318:• Gene93k
120:View log
418:Rlendog
332:Comment
159:WP refs
147:scholar
93:protect
88:history
131:Google
97:delete
174:JSTOR
135:books
114:views
106:watch
102:links
54:Logan
16:<
422:talk
414:Keep
393:talk
389:Alex
358:talk
341:talk
337:Alex
322:talk
307:Note
297:talk
289:Keep
272:talk
257:talk
253:Alex
243:talk
217:talk
205:Keep
195:talk
191:Alex
167:FENS
141:news
110:logs
84:talk
80:edit
58:Talk
46:keep
316:--
181:TWL
118:– (
48:. (
424:)
395:)
360:)
343:)
324:)
313:.
299:)
274:)
259:)
245:)
233:.
219:)
197:)
161:)
112:|
108:|
104:|
100:|
95:|
91:|
86:|
82:|
52:)
420:(
391:(
377:-
356:(
339:(
320:(
295:(
270:(
255:(
241:(
215:(
193:(
185:)
177:·
171:·
163:·
156:·
150:·
144:·
138:·
133:(
125:(
122:)
116:)
78:(
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.