546:). You don't care if its factual? Huh? So what do you care about? I thought Wiki was set up for the truth. Believe me, "Dark Clouds Over Elberton" has gone to the bottom of the truth in this case. I'm not promoting them, I've just listened to a few podcasts and used Google and it was easy to double check what the documentary was about. Herbert Hinzie Kersten was R.C. Christian. Here is a link to an old issue of the "New American" from 1992 where Kersten has written and article that got published. Scroll down to page 3. I rest my case. Anyone who can't connect the dots after all I've written is and idiot. I'm sorry to say so but that's painfully clear.
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What do you mean "conspiracy theorist"? The filmmakers are the only ones up until today that managed to get any information out of Wyatt Martin. Prior to this documentary he was the only one alive that knew the true identity of R.C. Christian. Watch the trailer and look how it happened.
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