336:. This appears to be a recent invention which hasn't been taken up by much of anyone else significant. The other fairy chess piece articles JBL has tagged have more of a real existence in the fairy chess literature (which alas has a very spotty presence on the internet; Ihardlythinkso probably has more access to it, so I've asked him).
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The article is about a "fairy chess piece" used by some players in variant chess games. For this particular piece, the name is a recent neologism, and evidence of its use and notability is limited to a couple of forum discussion threads. I believe that no proper secondary sources exist, but even if
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to the general article. I do not see the point of articles on those without either historical significance or really widespread use--they are otherwise best explained in a combination article. According to WP:N, that's a good course of action in such pieces, whether or not they technically meet the
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I did a google search of the
Huygens (as a chess piece) and found significantly more material showing notability than there is for several other chess pieces that have their own article. I'll make a brief summary tomorrow to show what can be found easily (and maybe a proposal to create a uniform
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In this evaluation, we need to remember that notabity is distinct from history. Some chess pieces do have a longer history, whereas the
Huygens was introduced more recently. The citations (listed above) show that the Huygens is specified in games, it is used by games players, it is discussed by
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Phoenix (hĹŤĹŤ) and more than 200 similar pieces are used in Shogi (a Japanese game similar to chess) and some of its variants. (In Japan it is not called the Phoenix). If the Phoenix is notable then so are the 200 other
309:-type comment, and I had volunteered to consider proposing other fairy chess piece articles for deletion. I do not think the comment there is an attempt to establish the existence of reliable sources for this article. --
641:(irrespective of notability). Reasonable people can have widely different opinions on the notability of the class of articles as a whole, or on the individual articles. But if we don't get it exactly right, the impact to
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Japanese game similar to chess) and some of its variants. So if the kirin is notable then so are the 200 other pieces.
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Wikipedians" so I believe it is a mirror of Knowledge (XXG) information (not an independent resource).
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p.s. The camel, zebra, and giraffe are all classic fairy pieces w/ rich histories in fairy literatures. I'll comment re the others elsewhere. --
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guideline so that all chess pieces can be judged in the same way). Thanks for now.—
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