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336:. This appears to be a recent invention which hasn't been taken up by much of anyone else significant. The other fairy chess piece articles JBL has tagged have more of a real existence in the fairy chess literature (which alas has a very spotty presence on the internet; Ihardlythinkso probably has more access to it, so I've asked him). 202:
The article is about a "fairy chess piece" used by some players in variant chess games. For this particular piece, the name is a recent neologism, and evidence of its use and notability is limited to a couple of forum discussion threads. I believe that no proper secondary sources exist, but even if
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to the general article. I do not see the point of articles on those without either historical significance or really widespread use--they are otherwise best explained in a combination article. According to WP:N, that's a good course of action in such pieces, whether or not they technically meet the
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I did a google search of the Huygens (as a chess piece) and found significantly more material showing notability than there is for several other chess pieces that have their own article. I'll make a brief summary tomorrow to show what can be found easily (and maybe a proposal to create a uniform
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In this evaluation, we need to remember that notabity is distinct from history. Some chess pieces do have a longer history, whereas the Huygens was introduced more recently. The citations (listed above) show that the Huygens is specified in games, it is used by games players, it is discussed by
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The Phoenix (hĹŤĹŤ) and more than 200 similar pieces are used in Shogi (a Japanese game similar to chess) and some of its variants. (In Japan it is not called the Phoenix). If the Phoenix is notable then so are the 200 other
309:-type comment, and I had volunteered to consider proposing other fairy chess piece articles for deletion. I do not think the comment there is an attempt to establish the existence of reliable sources for this article. -- 641:(irrespective of notability). Reasonable people can have widely different opinions on the notability of the class of articles as a whole, or on the individual articles. But if we don't get it exactly right, the impact to 355:. I did a quick survey concerning the huygens chess piece, and some other chess pieces that have their own pages on Knowledge (XXG) (as a comparison or reference). Here is a quick summary: 469:
The kirin and more than 200 similar pieces are used in Shogi (a Japanese game similar to chess) and some of its variants. So if the kirin is notable then so are the 200 other pieces.
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I only saw it mentioned in a book "Chess variants, Editor: By Wikipedians" so I believe it is a mirror of Knowledge (XXG) information (not an independent resource).
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p.s. The camel, zebra, and giraffe are all classic fairy pieces w/ rich histories in fairy literatures. I'll comment re the others elsewhere. --
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I found it also proposed as a chess piece, but with a move that doesn't match the Knowledge (XXG) article (1/2014):
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games, of which no single piece may have enough significance to merit its own page for a Knowledge (XXG) article.
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https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess960-chess-variants/chess-on-an-infinite-plane-huygens-option
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This is a piece that jumps (3,3) and Tripper is a generic name. (found in tables for example).
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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used in games at chess.com, and discussed on matters such as its point value (for example):
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be the largest, most comprehensive, and most widely-available encyclopedia ever written
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A piece with the same move is listed here, but is called "WA" (does not say Phoenix)
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http://jdh.hamkins.org/a-position-in-infinite-chess-with-game-value-omega-to-the-4/
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requirement for stand-alone article. The chess.com and flickr online finds are not
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guideline so that all chess pieces can be judged in the same way). Thanks for now.—
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A piece with the same move is listed here, but is called "FD" (does not say Kirin)
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mathemeticians, and it is mentioned and used by others (artists and so forth).
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Mentioned at chess.com: "If chess had a new piece it would be the camel"
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/147202588@N02/32468003134/in/photostream/
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https://blinchiki.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/new-chess-piece-the-zebra/
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https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/if-chess-had-a-new-piece
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Shown in some type of art showing a chess piece in outer space:
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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http://www.chessvariants.com/d.betza/chessvar/pieces/wa.html
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http://www.chessvariants.com/d.betza/chessvar/pieces/fd.html
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http://www.chessvariants.com/piececlopedia.dir/giraffe.html
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http://www.chessvariants.com/piececlopedia.dir/centaur.html
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http://www.chessvariants.com/piececlopedia.dir/zebra.html
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Some newer usages from the math community also include (
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listed in Mayhematics: "Giraffe is {1,4} leaper. Zurafa"
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/147202588@N02/33215445815
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --
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I left some comments at the Talk page of the huygens:
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of the scale of notability (with pieces such as the
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Other art with the huygens (comparing to a camel?):
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No further edits should be made to this page. 366:YouTube video "DIY Variant Chess pieces" (2012) 203:they do notability seems extremely doubtful. 8: 219:Note: This debate has been included in the 819:http://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/73850 370:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1IGx6KLMPU 221:list of Games-related deletion discussions 218: 575:At the CVP website as a defined piece: 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 432:https://www.mayhematics.com/v/gm.htm 393:- appears to be a new article (4/5) 731:Fairy chess pieces#Notable examples 52:Fairy chess pieces#Notable examples 658:remain is individual page articles 24: 796:being the least notable, and the 782:all variant chess piece articles 544:listed in the CVP Piececlopedia: 397:listed in Piececlopedia: (N+K) 1: 733:where it is already listed.-- 668:) 14:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC)— 633:The subject in question is 900: 862:20:44, 25 April 2017 (UTC) 840:14:08, 21 April 2017 (UTC) 771:05:51, 17 April 2017 (UTC) 743:17:11, 14 April 2017 (UTC) 720:11:07, 13 April 2017 (UTC) 704:10:59, 13 April 2017 (UTC) 678:14:15, 11 April 2017 (UTC) 519:(this article is a stub): 508:(this article is a stub). 346:14:10, 11 April 2017 (UTC) 319:13:13, 11 April 2017 (UTC) 301:07:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC) 279:02:01, 11 April 2017 (UTC) 267:Talk:Huygens (chess piece) 67:00:28, 27 April 2017 (UTC) 650:Knowledge (XXG)'s purpose 643:Knowledge (XXG)'s purpose 253:21:29, 9 April 2017 (UTC) 233:14:02, 9 April 2017 (UTC) 213:13:57, 9 April 2017 (UTC) 872:Please do not modify it. 815:to those listed above): 418:listed in Piececlopedia: 32:Please do not modify it. 569:Huygens (chess piece) 481:(article is a stub): 455:(article is a stub): 305:LithiumFlash made an 291:?? 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