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contributed more to than anyone else, but I do see everyone's point. I had felt that by putting links to where I found the info from would make the article more wiki-worthy, but I would agree that most of the info comes from www.hughallison.com (so this is what I creditted) so I can now see it would have been best if I had not put the info on at all. Re SamuelTheGhost's comment above, which I have just re-read, although I have long suspected that most of
Allison's work is that for which he has not been paid professional rates, if there is a site or similar which states this, I would appreciate knowing it, in case that provides more useful info/citations which I could use when trying to rebuild the page--
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Allison's website and (4) now that the lists are smaller, do the directing section and the writing section still need to be amended into more of a paragraph or encyclopedic style? I will be online again within 48 hours to make any suggested amendments.--
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Hi Slim. Thanks for that. To be safe though, I will stick to not using quotes from the presumably self-published hughallison.com and will only use a minimal amount from the (presumably also self-published) wix.com. To my understanding, re my above question, I will also remove the "Young Vic"
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