823:. The rationale for this nomination does not reveal an appropriate reason for deletion. If the issue is that freely licensed material was taken from elsewhere an used here, well that is exactly what should happen. NOTMIRROR is designed to prevent the indiscriminate addition of primary source material, which is why there is another project (Wikisource) specificially for such additions. It is not intended to prevent the addition of freely licensed material on notable topics for which we formerly lacked, as here. This material is now cateogorized and linked to other articles of human trafficking, and adds to our coverage on this topic. If the article's language is unencyclopedic, or if its neutrality may be question that is a matter for editing, not deletion. I have yet to see, at any point in this discussion, an articulation of how the encyclopedia is improved by deletion of this verifiable and reliably-sourced material.
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802:- the whole copy-paste thing is a big red herring. The topic of this article is "human trafficking in Albania". The public domain material that was copied is an article specifically about human trafficking by country with Knowledge (XXG) incorporating the text for Albania into this article. This is a perfectly acceptable means of starting an encyclopedia article on this subject. The only question remaining is whether this is a notable topic. The
668:. Hundreds and hundreds of articles have been straight-up pasted from the Encyclopedia Britannica. I can vouch for the history of cambodia series being a straight copy-paste. My point is, this is a totally accepted practice, and deleting this one article on the basis of its being a copy-paste goes against long-standing consensus about the appropriateness of using pasted sources as starting points for articles.
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is one of hundreds of biographies of federal judges copied and pasted from a government source. Copy-paste in itself is not bad, as is shown by these many examples. The only question, then, is whether this is a useful start for a factual article. In my mind, there is no question that the answer is
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Okay, since this doesn't look like a snowball keep like last time I'll expand my reasoning. One of
Knowledge (XXG)'s strengths is collecting useful public domain material that can form the basis of encyclopedia articles. We have done this with the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica and many other works.
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