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883:. It also states subordinate notability sometimes may not be inherited from parent notability, but that sometimes that is the case. For something that is introduced in official material and later supplemented such as with the Sabbat & the Inconnu that is also a major device for setting I think that the notability is inherited. If you are looking for other sources not from official material then simply do a search on google and you can find many fansites that can give notability to just about any of the aspects of this RPG. Here are just 2 on the Inconnu 725:, where's the information about notability? Just because V:TM is a major RPG (which I'm not disagreeing with, it should be noted), that doesn't mean that every vampiric sect or clan in the game is notable. Where's the references to say this, now that the article has been around for almost a year and a half? I don't object to a merge, but as is even with a merge, there's noting to denote notability about this clan of vampires in the article in its current form. 250:- Yes, I noticed your prod work :) I've de-prodded several (but not all) of them; I agree with you, they've lain fallow for a long time, and need some work. Hopefully the discussions generated by these AfDs will activate this. If not, and no one is willing to work on them, best they be removed until someone wants to recreate them in a usable state. Either way, Knowledge benefits. 233:(quite a lot of which I have prodded today). Together some coherent article might be possible that even has proper sources. I, however, am not familiar enough with that RPG to do such a thing, and these articles have been around for a year and a half or so with no references outside of original source material. 590:
You claim to be an advanced mathematician. In my experience, the mathematics articles are poor quality and rarely have sources or inline citations to justify their intricate statements. Since the accuracy of mathematics is of some importance in the real world, while the accuracy of fiction is not,
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I prodded the article first, and the prod was removed with no other comment, alteration, or explanation on the article's talk page, other than "I object to this deletion". I agree that AfD should not be a tool to force cleanup, and that was not my intention here. And I do add material for topics
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Non-notable fictional vampires. Contested prod. Prod was removed with no other alteration to the article, nor explanation on the edit summary or talk page other than "I don't agree with this deletion." Online sources don't (obviously) cover everything, but searches seem to reveal only fan sites
201:- with some other, more established page of this notable franchize. While it it is true that notability is not inherited, major plot elements of hugely notable works have historically found a place in Knowledge, if not as stand-alone articles then certainly as sections of other entries. 521:
not sure where yet, but I think what we could really do with is a mass-merge (leaving redirects) off all of these sorts of articles, and not just VtM or WoD related stuff, either, there's loads of instances of this sort of thing with RPG and fantasy/sci-fi related stuff.
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Sounds like this is rather non-notable even in-universe. And it shows no general notability on its own, so I don't think there should be a separate article. Merging many of those articles sounds like a good idea though, ideally removing stuff which is against
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Of course I can. I shall add a reference to the article but please be aware that AFD is not cleanup and it is better to tag such articles for improvement before bringing them to AFD. Better yet is to add material for a topic that you know something about.
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If you mean my activity in particular, I noticed your prods before you said anything in this discussion. If you just mean in general, I hope that's not the case... I agree with your concerns, and think they should all be improved, merged, or removed.
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Ogre is a nice little game and the article on it looks good - thanks for your work on it. I'm still not seeing how tearing down other game articles helps to creates such fine articles. The general idea of Knowledge is that you start with stubby
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I didn't say that was; I'm saying that, as far as I can tell, there isn't any noticeable independent coverage of each sect, clan, etc. Of course there's lots of mention in sourcebooks, but that's not really independent coverage :)
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I beg to differ. It is, in any case, a mere token. There is torrents of material out there for this franchise which spans role-playing, books, card games, cartoons, computer games, tv shows, LARPs and who knows what else.
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that I know things about (as well as things that I know little about, having helped promote an article to GA, and save others from deletion). Witness, for example, my additions to
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articles and turn them into good ones. Deleting articles obviously aborts this process and should only be done in hopeless or problematic cases. This article is neither.
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it is important to realize that countering the keep or delete arguments of other people by simply referring them to this essay is not encouraged
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Sigh, I probably shouldn't have mentioned I prodded a bunch of stuff. Now it will lie around not being improved for an even longer time.
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your time would be better spent improving the maths articles. Deleting this article helps in this project in no way.
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That is not the requirement., There just has to be substantial coverage of each, not a separate publication on each.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Which, beyond the opening sentence of the article and two other brief ones, seems to be everything.
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And what would this mass-merge achieve apart from wasting our time? Note that others such as
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Yes, I would not be averse to a large merger of this article and many other similar ones in
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There's loads about the franchise, but not independent stuff about each sect, clan, etc.
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Can you provide some references that demonstrate this? Otherwise, how do we know this?
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the various vampires. The usual compromise. why not do these things away from AfD.
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and replace with a Redirect somewhere like Sects in Vampire the Masquerade. --
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or something similar. The information found in this article (and e.g.
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And again I ask, how much of that directly addresses the Inconnu,
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absolutely can't come from the original sourcebook. It requires
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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went down this road and found themselves sanctioned by Arbcom.
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or the like. The sect (and directly from user-Jhattara; "e.g.
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P.S. The reference you added clearly falls in the realm of "
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Inclusionism vs deletionism: The Eternal Struggle. :)
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Why should I when I can help edit articles like this
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that specifically discuss the Inconnu as notability
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
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Inconnu (World of Darkness)
Masquerade_society#Inconnu
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Inconnu (World of Darkness)
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