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2059:. Just because a multitude of websites turned up when "India" and "terrorism" were included in a google search, it does not not mean that India supports terrorism. Not one reliable source in the huge string of links you provided, establishes Indian government support to terrorism factually. What is it with you guys and allegations? Anybody can allege anybody. The fact that a Pakistani leader is the alleger does not automatically prove that the alleged did the alleged crime. Independent investigations have to be performed and the results have to be published in an international arena. Which in this case, has not been done. And no Pakistani sources please. Pakistani media has reported false information and apologised many times has no credibility internationally IMO and for this case where international media has not established india's link to terrorism, use of Pakistani sources cannot be warranted. 2570:) Infact India was the first to designate it a terrorist organisation. As such half of the Sri Lanka section on LTTE has to be removed. Hence, the entire Sri Lanka section, apart from the one sentence where the Sri Lankan Prime minister "alleges" of terrorist camps in India, is full of Pakistani allegations which can be moved as a subsection under Pakistani allegations. The same goes for the section on Burma which has to be removed because it mentions support to rebels in Burma as terrorist activities. A good example for 2164:
reliable independent sources, accusations by Pakistan will have a place in the article. But this is not the case here. Though reliable sources are provided, they "do not document terrorism of India as fact". All of them "document trivial mentions of allegations by Pakistan". The whole article is a list of allegations made by Pakistan over the years with no scope for further improvement and hence has no place in Knowledge.
82: 899:, the article still has reliable sources and is a notable topic and should not be deleted just because Indian editors want it to be censored. This is against wikipedia policy and I'll like to remind everyone that consensus does not override policy. The burden for establishing notability is cleared, and and POV related issues should be dealt with on the talkpage; AFD is not for clean up. -- 2495: 2686: 2674: 2658: 1965:) describes accusations by Pakistan (not good enough again) and Indian sponsored blasts in Sialkot. It looks alright on a cursory glance, however it should be subject to same kind of scrutiny as other sources have been subject to, on the talk page. And this source alone still does not validate the existence of a separate article with 1659: 2148:
Took you ages? You have registered your account 20 days ago and have made 14 edits in total (not that date of registration and edit count are taken into consideration for a comment to be valid). You have made one edit on July 25 and resumed editing the next day this afd was opened. I don't know about
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has been proven to be SPS, synthesis or OR in the article. This topic is highly notable and includes statements by heads of state (Presidents, Prime Ministers), politicians, academics on the issue. There are a variety of sources available that make this topic important, the ones currently used on the
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TG, a clarification. "Consensus does not override policy" makes no sense because consensus is the main decision making policy on Knowledge. It is through consensus that editors will decide here whether this article satisfies Knowledge's notability requirements or whether it is mere synthesis and OR.
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is what the article would look like if you tried to reorder the content to its appropriate sections and removed stuff that didn't mention anything about terrorism and kept everything else. As can be seen, it is one big list of Pakistani allegations. And as far as allegations go, its veracity can be
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As for the presence of reliable sources in the article, just the presence of sources from BBC or NYT does not warrant its inclusion. What has to be analyzed is whether the stuff included is within the scope of the article. If the article documented the sponsorship of terrorism by India supported by
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Because of the content dispute surrounding this AfD, I have fully protected the page until the 14th August, when this AfD is set to close. I will remind editors that continuing a content dispute in this way while a deletion discussion is in progress is inappropriate. I have reverted the article to
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As an example, North Korea alleges US of terrorism on a daily basis. You can't have an article on "US and state sponsored terrorism" and just list all the allegations North Korea has ever made. If you can't find other sources establishing US involvement in terrorism, no matter how hard you try to
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Instead of refactoring, I'll clarify my comment further as I still intend to stand by it.. just that you didn't get the intended meaning. Yes, policy is dictated by consensus (but unlike this one... a consensus among the general community which this consensus can not override). Hope it is clearer
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Reliable sources must be strong enough to support the claim. Questionable sources are generally unsuitable for citing contentious claims about third parties, which includes claims against institutions, persons living or dead, as well as more ill-defined entities. The proper uses of a questionable
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Wow indeed. I am tired of your counter arguments citing lame sources for your claims, like for example, a thesis by a random student or a self published book to name a couple. The talk page of the article clearly shows that editors have been repeatedly asking you to bring up credible sources for
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That's a good point. However, the article contains a number of academic sources that discuss either India's involvement or the possibility of India's involvement in the LTTE struggle. There are also some good sources on Burma. I don't really like these sorts of articles (are the Chin and Kachin
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I suggest that this article be deleted and the editors here shift to the section on India in State-sponsored terrorism. Once that section is expanded, the POV issues are dealt with and the editors still feel that a broader coverage of the topic is required, they are free create a new article.
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Better because you no longer say that consensus cannot override policy (consensus is, after all, our key policy!) But, to be honest, your clarification, assuming I'm getting the intended meaning this time, is vague and not very useful. For example, which particular consensus among the general
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Basically this is a list of Pakistani allegations against India accusing India of supporting terrorism. The majority of the article is a synthesis with some OR thrown into the mix. There is nothing here which cannot be added to the State sponsored terrorism article or to the article on RAW.
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the concerns raised at the talk page or even previous comments in this page for that matter. The matter of the article having reliable sources or even notability has been repeatedly refuted both here and the talk page and IMHO, your !vote (and SMS's) adds nothing new to this
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Yes, but consensus is not a ballot vote, which I suspect may be happening here. In short, the closing admin should weigh up the pros and cons. There are clearly enough sources available that lend notability and credibility of this topic. Knowledge is not truth
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Though the article is a pov mess, as long as the material can be rewritten neutrally, I don't see why not. In fact, some of the references appear to go beyond allegations (particularly in the Sri Lanka part). Perhaps the article should be retitled
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And the article cannot be rewritten neutrally. If you tried, the entire article would contain nothing but the lead sentence with no scope for further expansion. Also please see the last few edits before the article was fully protected.
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and a case of censorship by people of that particular country we must move forward SMS has shown the sources are reliable yet people still continue to argue with baseless arguments for deletion I sense strong conflicts of interests.
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rebels freedom fighters or terrorists, what about the LTTE, these sorts of questions are difficult to answer). But I can't think of other ways to title this article and it does seem that Knowledge supports articles of this sort. --
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See, the fact of matter always has been that this article is about an extremely sensitive and derogatory claim against a whole Nation which is backed only by some form of unfounded allegation or hypothesis by Pakistani leaders and
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and a poor attempt to whitewash content when users couldn't get to enforce their POV on the article. The only thing that is shameless here is this AFD being initiated by a user who has a clear conflict of interest.
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I was just pointing out that consensus is policy (and therefore there is no question of anything else deciding an AfD). TG might want to refactor his !vote because it doesn't make sense the way it is written.
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was removed simply on lame summaries) along with other things, making the current article a jumbled mess without a head or tail. Furthermore, the article is part of a series of country terrorism articles eg.
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based on the unsubstantiated, speculative, tenuous reports or unfounded, propagandist allegations by unreliable, biased sources is not what should be encouraged. Also I don't think the article meets
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But the article is in effect blemishing the whole structure of Indian government when it alleges India sponsors terrorism. But yeah, there is a difference like there is a difference between
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of article creation. Minor news stories are all examples of coverage but they do not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources. Thank you.
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I'll also note that the article was in a far different shape and had other reliably sourced content too which was removed by the users claiming to be enforcing NPOV (for example,
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From the above comment by Crown Prince, its clear that he is did not see the talk page of the article. The sources that few editors are calling reliable, in reality are
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were in there being accused of terrorism with absolutely no source at all. I would recommend anyone voting in this AFD to take a look at the talk page of the article,
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Really? Please show us these "reliable sources" which say India is a state sponsor of terrorism? The article is full of SPS, it used opinions as facts, it relies on
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Mar4d, I guess you just reinforced my point further. Did you even try to understand what those edit summaries you quoted above were trying to inform? You seem to be
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Just allegations by Pakistan, where? Some people are overlooking other sections of the article (not to forget ones that have already been deleted for no reason).
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Just deleted for no reason, where? Some people are overlooking the rationales provided in the talk page (not to forget ones that have already been given here).
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Now frankly, if all you can do here is accuse others of the things they didn't actually do, then it's better that you report other users on suitable pages and
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Only rumors and unfounded allegations juxtaposed with fabricated assertions (and other conspiracy theories) by Pakistani Leaders. Like Surajt88 said above, "
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RP, the Kachin rebels were fighting against the military junta, they not usually called a terrorist group as they were fighting against state terrorism.
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were removed and an incident on Indian Army trained militants infiltrating Azad Kashmir was removed, a quote detailing RAW activities in Balochistan by
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You know there is a difference between the "whole nation" and the "state". Also, for you they might be theories but wikipedia is not censored. --
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If you could check your way of expressing your colossal spite toward others who disagree with you, I would be grateful. But the allegations like
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without checking. You ask him repeatedly to take it to the RSN thread. He does, and it is discovered that the text in question is a work of the
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libelous accusations, propaganda of any kind, be it commercial, political, religious, national, or otherwise. Knowledge is not a soap box.
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And another one who can't tell the difference between state sponsored terrorism and state terrorism. These are entirely different things.
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source are very limited. A lightweight source may sometimes be acceptable for a lightweight claim, but never for an extraordinary claim.
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woven to allege India of supporting terrorism. The remaining content would be a bunch of unfounded allegations by Pakistan supported by
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claim is substantiated or validated by any conclusive investigation by any foreign government/department that shows Indian government
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credible evidence (i.e. reliable sources which go beyond the realm of "claims") for alleging India of "sponsoring terrorism".
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suggest you mind and censor your language.Let your inner thoughts remain inside. Be somewhat civil while in a discussion.
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seems to be the perfect title for this article. I am considering changing my !vote to move the article to this title.
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Please note that India withdrew support for the LTTE long before it was designated a terrorist organisation. (See
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a whole nation basing upon poxy conjectures, lofty fabrication and unfounded conspiracy theories, is beyond me
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Please provide the source from the Federation of American Scientists so you can replace the SPS you used.
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So heads of state, politicians, academic sources, governments, they are all "unreliable"? Wow. Just wow.
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have always alleged many radical things regarding India, but never supported their lofty allegations up
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to be "harboring or harnessing terrorism"? If so, then where, by whom, and how can you impute that to a
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Agree, but does the Sri Lanka part alone justify a new article when the content can easily be added to
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the edit which posted the AfD notice on the page, which was the last stable version of the article.
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for obvious anti-India POV pushing. Moreover statements of allegations are being pushed as proof. --
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to make India seem liable for "sponsoring-terrorism". This article is itself a wicked violation of
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and the article is a list of allegations/claims from poor sources with combined together with
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Moreover, not all coverage in reliable sources constitutes evidence of notability for the
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in State-sponsored terrorism is just two lines long. It does not warrant a new article.
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I notice you have not removed three SPS sources from it. The first three refs are SPS.
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of writing articles, split is only recommended after consideration has been given to:
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took me ages to come up with a decision however unfortunately these delete votes are
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understood by anyone who knows atleast something about Pakistan's stance on India.
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However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to
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this has been pointed out numerous times in the discussion and in the talk page.
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a case of censorship by people of that particular country we must move forward
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disagreeing with everything that intends to remove content from the article
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is deleted because of another chap who thinks it is "inessential, lengthy"
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Allegations of Indian state sponsored terrorism by their old foe Pakistan
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How Indian officials or Gov of India can be connected to it is beyond me
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that was produced in the talk page in favour of keeping the POV content
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alone, you've already voted, commented, responded, etc. haven't you?
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Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam#Proscription as a terrorist group
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to what's being conveyed to you by multiple editors without
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Nobody is being barred from checking or commenting on the
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heads of state, politicians, academic sources, governments
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condemned India for sponsoring terrorism. Yes, it's true
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or National political party or Intelligence agencies or
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nation based on nothing more than some form of rumors?
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others, but I have strong suspicions of foulplay here.
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India and state sponsored terrorism
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