521:. Coverage in third-party sources is difficult for parliamentary candidates (or European Parliament). Quite often the coverage is stock party line-towing quotes in local papers on whatever local issue is getting attention this week, and IMHO that alone shouldn't qualify as evidence of notability. The thing that just about pushes me in favour of saving the article is the bar that needs to be crossed for candidature in this case. In Northern Ireland, where almost all elections are conducted by
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There are no substantive grounds for notability being asserted. He doesn't even qualify as a perennial losing candidate. The article can realistically contain no notable material beyond the fact that he can't stay in one party for longer then 20 minutes and can't get elected to anything. There is no
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Kirkpatrick qualifies because he managed to get elected to a province wide body once upon a time. Parsley has been in more parties than the tally of elections he has won, that isn't notable.
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