379:"Not big enough" doesn't have the slightest applicability here, don't even see why someone would cite that. As for "major academic institution", yes, student body size can indeed be a consideration. This is a miniscule, private institution that IMO itself barely qualifies for a Wikiepdia article. If the only thing you can hang your hat on for this guy is that he heads this bitty college, then that really isn't enough. Single notability guides can't be abused in this fashion to give an utter and complete notability failure an article.
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We wouldn't be "forced" to delete anything on anything. Knowledge is not proscriptive. If someone is deemed to have sufficient notability then they get an article; if not, they don't. That's what these discussions are for. Harvard Law School is known throughout the world; I doubt whether the
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