537:, I'm afraid I disagree with you there. If THRoPF hadn't notified me I (very probably) wouldn't have found this discussion. He/she was not, in my view, canvassing but simply notifying editors he/she knew were interested in the topic about this discussion. And since we're an unruly lot in this area, I'd say the notion that editors would come over and dutifully line up and say 'delete!' would be wildly over-optimistic, and I'm sure THRoPF would agree with me. On the substantive matter at hand, I'd say Jeremy's detailed analysis and proposal just about sums it up as far as I'm concerned.
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the creation of the "empire" has significance, but as a geo-political entity, it is synonymous with "fascist Italy," or very nearly so. What is important is not the victory of this point of view or that, but the logical, coherent presentation of information in a way that will be most accessible and
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Italian Empire (entity, 1936–1943) but not Italian Colonial Empire? None, as far as I can see. Again, the two were one and the same thing after the declaration.
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