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295:: Johannes is one of the most prolific social satirist / commentator / artists alive today. To argue that he's not notable because he creates things is idiotic - every event is created by someone at some point and Johannes has a long standing history of creating events that resonate with people and become their own thing - The annual cocktail robotics festival "Roboexotica" in Vienna has been happening annually for over 10 years, attracts thousands of people from around the world and receives national art funding, at this very moment the front page of Re/Search Publications features a book, one of three now, that they've published about Johannes' ongoing "Arse Elektronika" conference. The live theater comedy series about the ISS that he directed ran in Berlin last year to sold out audiences every night. To suggest the person responsible for these has "no notability" is laughable, but the same person is saying that 616:- numerous good sources; Grenzfurthner is an academic working on/writing about culture, as well as a performer working in it, and both aspects are suitably cited here. Article is not promotional but reports the (interesting) facts neutrally. He is evidently very well known both as a performer and as a writer. On the 'about' side, there are some scholarly books that cite him; on the 'in' side, we have the problem that many (most) of the sources are by definition outside WP's rules (online magazines, pop-culture blogs) even when in fact they are independent, secondary and generally reliable. However some of the magazines I looked at seem quite measured and sensible in their tone and appear to be reputable in their field. To sum up: very many sources; plenty of independent, secondary comment; some traditional academic citation. 469:: This baffles me that this is even an issue. Johannes has done more in the world of contemporary and performance art, satire and media theory than most people could dream of accomplishing. Johannes has produced a plethora of events and media publications over the years that have certainly attracted more than a modicum of media attention. Roboexotica, Arse Elektronica, the Soviet Unterzögersdorf video games, Kiki and Bubu are all productions that have been covered by the press and could easily merit their own wikipedia entries. 438:: I added a few links to university talks and book publications. How someone can do a Ted talk, have multiple book publications and hold a university position and still some Knowledge (XXG) editor wants to delete them baffles me. Seems totally notable to me, according to Knowledge (XXG)'s standards. And, as a professional artist, I have to confirm that Grenzfurthner is very influential and widely respected in the art world. To delete his article would only demonstrate Knowledge (XXG)'s lack of knowledge about contemporary art. 278:! and if you're asking that question seriously, you have no business voting here. WP:RS does not include self-published material. no blogs. no magazines you write yourself. no making events yourself and then writing about them yourself. you and JG and his socks need to find some real reliable sources to establish notability or let this article go where it deserves to go: the dustbin. 635:-- I guess I am one of the editors accused of being "a sock puppet." No, I'm just a fan of monochrom's work and keep updating their WP pages on an (in)frequent basis. Grenzfurthner's article cites well-known newspapers from different countries (Libération, Toronto Star, Der Standard) and notable magazines or online versions of magazines (Wired, Brand Eins, Owni, Neural). 321:: Johannes Grenzfurthner is a well-known artist and culture jammer. Re: Boing Boing. He created campaigns and commissioned projects for BB, e.g. the acclaimed Cheetos Campaign, Firewall (with the Billboard Liberation Front) or the Kiki and Bubu video series, that were later presented at the Venice Biennial (Future Pass, 2011) 778:. Cursory examination of citations and content reveals subject has not done any one thing that established Notability by itself under other criteria. However, subject's work over the past decade as referenced by in Scholar/Books links along with the subject's (apparently permanent?) exhibition in the 842:
does a better job of framing the some of the subject's work, which simply suggests this article needs improvement. Perhaps including more content from the German articles putting the differences between the subject and his art group would improve the article? But in any case, would that somehow
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no notabilty, referenced with personal pages. appears to be artist spam / arts administrator spam. art professor who edits articles is not notable. neither boingboing or imdb are RS. listing references from 'monochrom' is self-promotional and not RS since article subject is the monochrom founder
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This is Johannes Grenzwhatever. Just wanted to mention that I'm not writing my own entry. The entry would be better if I did. But I find it fascinating that just a couple of days after I first give an interview about my new project/essay "W for Vendetta" (a criticism of the power structure and
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Merging would imply that he is only known for founding monochrom, which is not the case. He is an author writing about and reflecting on culture, technology and politics, and that is not necessarily part of his job at monochrom. In his German interviews he talks about his thoughts on being the
205:--self-publishing. 'DIY' means 'do it yourself' so organizing a prominent DIY thing is not notable. webby award isn't notable per se. this is an just extended CV seemingly mostly created by the article subject with nothing more notable going on than with any other college art teacher. 254:
added some stuff to the page some time ago but could give it another shot. a google search for jg and his projects brings up a ton of references. question: why is diy culture (as a cultural phenomenon (make magazine, maker faire, hackerspaces) not notable? bizarre!
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i'm not familiar with your presentation/s about wikipedia being an elitist cabal or whatever. if there is such a structure, i'm not part of it. i think the article deserves deletion simply and only because by wikipedia standards, you're not notable.
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Most people voting here seem to be in one way or other related to the subject. The same may apply to many of the sources used. What I would really like to see is a printed source i.e. use of a reference template with a
414: 463:: Johannes Grenzfurthner is one of Europe's leading media artists. I recommend that the article should be rewritten somehow, if it looks like spam. Franz Ablinger, University of applied arts, Vienna. 370: 167: 344: 134: 392: 107: 102: 303:. People with blatant axes to grind are part of the reason I've stopped being so active on Knowledge (XXG) in the last few years, totally depressing. 786:
1 and 3. Establishing Notability is further confounded by the fact the subject's notable works are typically primarily referenced in German language
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elitist gamology of Knowledge (XXG)) my entry suddenly gets a notability inquiry and a deletion procedure. Paranoid? I guess I made a good point. ;-)
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Also, I added pages from university websites about his professor positions, which supports notability for WP:ACADEMIC.
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The question still remains, is there anything about the subject that could not better be covered in the article
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circles. (This does not really mean much, as they have 800 and 400 similar connections respectively.) --
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http://universes-in-universe.org/eng/bien/venice_biennale/2011/tour/future_pass_2/angelo_volpe_monochrom
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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is connected in the way the both he and Johannes Grenzfurthner have each other in their
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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page number. I did a search on Google news archives and found two or three
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To directly answer your question: I don't know. It appears that
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seems to have gone through the references and has no connection.
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