295:: Johannes is one of the most prolific social satirist / commentator / artists alive today. To argue that he's not notable because he creates things is idiotic - every event is created by someone at some point and Johannes has a long standing history of creating events that resonate with people and become their own thing - The annual cocktail robotics festival "Roboexotica" in Vienna has been happening annually for over 10 years, attracts thousands of people from around the world and receives national art funding, at this very moment the front page of Re/Search Publications features a book, one of three now, that they've published about Johannes' ongoing "Arse Elektronika" conference. The live theater comedy series about the ISS that he directed ran in Berlin last year to sold out audiences every night. To suggest the person responsible for these has "no notability" is laughable, but the same person is saying that
616:- numerous good sources; Grenzfurthner is an academic working on/writing about culture, as well as a performer working in it, and both aspects are suitably cited here. Article is not promotional but reports the (interesting) facts neutrally. He is evidently very well known both as a performer and as a writer. On the 'about' side, there are some scholarly books that cite him; on the 'in' side, we have the problem that many (most) of the sources are by definition outside WP's rules (online magazines, pop-culture blogs) even when in fact they are independent, secondary and generally reliable. However some of the magazines I looked at seem quite measured and sensible in their tone and appear to be reputable in their field. To sum up: very many sources; plenty of independent, secondary comment; some traditional academic citation.
469:: This baffles me that this is even an issue. Johannes has done more in the world of contemporary and performance art, satire and media theory than most people could dream of accomplishing. Johannes has produced a plethora of events and media publications over the years that have certainly attracted more than a modicum of media attention. Roboexotica, Arse Elektronica, the Soviet Unterzögersdorf video games, Kiki and Bubu are all productions that have been covered by the press and could easily merit their own wikipedia entries.
438:: I added a few links to university talks and book publications. How someone can do a Ted talk, have multiple book publications and hold a university position and still some Knowledge (XXG) editor wants to delete them baffles me. Seems totally notable to me, according to Knowledge (XXG)'s standards. And, as a professional artist, I have to confirm that Grenzfurthner is very influential and widely respected in the art world. To delete his article would only demonstrate Knowledge (XXG)'s lack of knowledge about contemporary art.
278:! and if you're asking that question seriously, you have no business voting here. WP:RS does not include self-published material. no blogs. no magazines you write yourself. no making events yourself and then writing about them yourself. you and JG and his socks need to find some real reliable sources to establish notability or let this article go where it deserves to go: the dustbin.
635:-- I guess I am one of the editors accused of being "a sock puppet." No, I'm just a fan of monochrom's work and keep updating their WP pages on an (in)frequent basis. Grenzfurthner's article cites well-known newspapers from different countries (Libération, Toronto Star, Der Standard) and notable magazines or online versions of magazines (Wired, Brand Eins, Owni, Neural).
321:: Johannes Grenzfurthner is a well-known artist and culture jammer. Re: Boing Boing. He created campaigns and commissioned projects for BB, e.g. the acclaimed Cheetos Campaign, Firewall (with the Billboard Liberation Front) or the Kiki and Bubu video series, that were later presented at the Venice Biennial (Future Pass, 2011)
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no notabilty, referenced with personal pages. appears to be artist spam / arts administrator spam. art professor who edits articles is not notable. neither boingboing or imdb are RS. listing references from 'monochrom' is self-promotional and not RS since article subject is the monochrom founder
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Johannes Grenzwhatever. Just wanted to mention that I'm not writing my own entry. The entry would be better if I did. But I find it fascinating that just a couple of days after I first give an interview about my new project/essay "W for Vendetta" (a criticism of the power structure and
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