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79: 53:"keeps", the result is still "delete", because none of the "keep" arguments stands up to analysis. A source, even if reliable, is not evidence of notability of an actor because it covers a film he was in, and briefly mentions his name in a credit. The "delete" comments, on the other hand, do contain clear arguments that the subject is not shown to meet Knowledge (XXG)'s notability guidelines. 1302:
It also includes advertisements in magazines, and found at subway and bus stations in Los Angeles and New York. In conclusion I think he's cute, and he is a good actor. I have seen Latin Boys Go To Hell and am an avid watcher of the online soap series In The Moment TV. I feel he meets the criteria as
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source suggests that it's instead a matter of a film critically acclaimed by this or that one writer. The link is to the LA Times; I took a look. No, this article doesn't acclaim the movie so much as trash it. This of course doesn't matter in itself: you can notably appear in a terrible movie and get
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considering the fact that this has gone through an AfD before, was recreated (albeit probably with more fluff), and the flood of SPAs who feel passionately about this. The sources range from truly reliable sources which make passing mentions of the subject to totally unreliable sources dedicated to
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At the most one of the "keeps" comes from an account which has not been conclusively shown to be a sockpuppet, most of which appear to have been created specifically to try to rig this discussion, and even that one has to be suspect. However, even if we ignore that, and don't discount the sockpuppet
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Lots of SPA work above! The article says "He co-stars opposite Damian Chapa as "Victor Garcia" in the film Dark Crossing, a movie about one man's perilous journey in surviving the dangerous world of Mexico's drug trafficking to rescue his sister who had been illegally kidnapped." It's hard to find
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This is in addition to minor roles in many other films. "Other productions" can be understood to mean music videos, commercials, and digital media. Here too he meets the criteria. After digging around here is what I found: an innovative and award-winning HIV prevention transmedia campaign “In the
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add more unsourced claims -- that he "Has large fan based "cult" following among the gay and lesbian community," etc. (When I can make sense of the claims, that is. What are "Reliable community works"? What "Stand alone"? In "Strong Credits End", is "credits" a noun or a verb, and either way what
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This is sad. A promising sample: "He began writing and performing original theater pieces and this led to being cast in his first lead role for director Ela Troyano as "Angel" in the critically acclaimed film Latin Boys Go To Hell." It's critically acclaimed? If link 1 isn't Rotten Tomatos-style
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I don't think you're supposed to vote twice. The article has improved, a bit. It has some biographical info (postal workers, Brooklyn, etc). Where does this come from? There's a link to a website in the infobox at the top right; I click it but I don't see Bryant. What's the point of the link?
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Hello brand new editor! You say "He and his work have been covered substantially in reliable independent sources such as Rotten Tomatoes, Variety, NY Times, Timeout, LA Times." Choose any two. Provide links to pages there that provide
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of him or his work in films or commercials. (Skip coverage of those films or commercials; instead, his work in them. And skip the links to Youtube, blogs, etc.) Do that, and I'll reconsider my decision (a short way below).
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of this article, which has had a convoluted history that I can't claim to fully understand.) There's much else in the biography that is simply unsourced, or sourced to a website that can be freely edited. And above,
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Moment” developed in partnership with LA Gay & Lesbian Center and the City of West Hollywood. In it he stars as "Carlos" for 27 episodes and there is even an episode in which he enters a same-sex marriage
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He is in yet another online web series called "Sk8 Or Die" which is a zombie/skater "Choose your own Adventure" story by Sunny Boy Entertainment. Here he played the lead role "Forest" in all six episodes
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through it with honor intact. But somehow the transparently fictional acclaim for the movie puts the entire Knowledge (XXG) bio in doubt. (Incidentally, "critically acclaimed" dates back to
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for Latin Boys Go To Hell, suggesting it's notable even if it doesn't have an article. This article needs revision to remove promotional tone, as well as copy editing, but Bryant meets
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the independent sources clearly indicate the article subject is notable worthy of wiki standards. Articles like this will improve over time after inclusion
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Finally his work includes over a dozen commercials for well known brands such as Wendy's, Freeway Insurance, T-Mobile, Wrigley's, Samsung among others.
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Most of the sources, such as the LA Times, NY Times, and Variety articles, in the article talk only about the movie
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If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is
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I found that he stars in a few music videos, such as a music video by award winning Grammy musician
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What's your definition of "review", RedfieldtalkLA? I looked at just one of your links, that for
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Notable actor. He and his work have been covered substantially in reliable independent sources.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to
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per LM2000, because the puppet play above has brought nothing new to the table.
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anything about this movie, but a slightly larger graphic for it is visible on
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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once in an AfD. If you do it multiple times it may distort the actual
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once in an AfD. If you do it multiple times it may distort the actual
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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among Knowledge (XXG) contributors. Knowledge (XXG) has
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lists numerous reviews many from well-known sources
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Sources are available of notability. 1108:) and has been indefinitely blocked. 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 1286:as the love interest in "I Got You" 24: 404:References have been corrected. 77: 792:, here's one for his new film 1: 114:on the part of others and to 1425:08:33, 28 January 2014 (UTC) 1395:07:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC) 1378:04:25, 28 January 2014 (UTC) 1356:07:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC) 1313:04:14, 28 January 2014 (UTC) 1217:21:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC) 1190:21:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC) 1149:03:30, 28 January 2014 (UTC) 1118:20:59, 27 January 2014 (UTC) 1069:00:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC) 1047:19:26, 25 January 2014 (UTC) 1028:07:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC) 1004:20:59, 27 January 2014 (UTC) 967:05:27, 25 January 2014 (UTC) 939:20:59, 27 January 2014 (UTC) 902:05:24, 25 January 2014 (UTC) 878:20:59, 27 January 2014 (UTC) 839:07:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC) 829:. 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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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John Bryant (Actor)
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policies and guidelines
consensus
assume good faith
sign your posts
single-purpose accounts
spa
canvassed
canvassed
sockpuppetry
csm
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John Bryant (Actor)
edit
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