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462:. There appears to be more than enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to establish John Graves' notability. That having been said, I must caution my fellow editors with regard to some of the sources offered: (1) trivial mentions don't count—just because the subject's name is briefly mentioned in a major publication is meaningless; (2) routine game and transactions coverage doesn't count for notability purposes; (3) recruiting websites don't count for much; (4) university and sports program websites and school newspapers are not considered independent sources, and don't count for purposes of establishing notability; and (5) amateur sports blogs are not considered reliable sources, and therefore don't count, either. In the absence of major national honors and/or stand-alone independent source articles about the subject, critical review of the sources offered to establish notability should be undertaken. 283: 166: 160: 222: 242: 92: 87: 119: 96: 79: 126: 340:
But you're right, there was enough coverage for me to expand the one-liner article that existed at the time of nomination to the stub that exists now.
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pulls over 180 articles from various nationwide newspapers. While I agree that college football
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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I added some additional content and references which I think allow it to qualify as a stub.
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In a matter of seconds, I found some significant coverage through Google News:
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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and has no significant coverage which mean the player also fails
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