814:. This "article" is just a few unsourced phrases copy-pasted from other pages. Even if it will be deleted, nothing prevents anyone from re-creating this page under this or a different title. Just care to provide some meaningful content and appropriate referencing, please. Right now this is lacking. Speaking about the page on ruwiki ("Stalin and religion"), it describes a different subject: Stalin's
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would be an important and legitimate subject, and it has been already described on a number of pages. We are talking about his personal religious views. All books I read about Stalin tell nothing about his religious views except noticing that he apparently did not believe in anything of this nature.
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