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422:: I agree and at the point of nomination for AfD I was unable to find any reliable refs, as the nomination notes. But that said, all we have is the rumour that a couple of sources may exist. They may not exist or they may just be passing mentions that do not confer notability or enough material for a standalone article. The two "refs" that have been recently added are just passing mentions that do not show notability. At this point in time we have an article that seems to just exist to promote a website, two refs that are vague passing mentions of the topic and an unsubstantiated statement that there maybe some paper refs available that may support some of the text in then article. I ask that if the paper refs exist then please add them as footnotes in support of the text that they actually do support and then we can see where we are then for notability. As it stands today the subject still does not seem to be notable. - 31: 475:. The article fails to explain in layman's terms what the technique actually is, even after visiting the subject's website I'm none the wiser. No sources/inline citations have been given, in the external links section there is a link to a self-published website, one to some kind of non-accessible paper and another that says that the technique has been mentioned in 771:
already doing, making it more precise." I think this Flight International article provides enough detail to clearly state that the "Jacobson Flare" is just a refinement of normal airplane landing techniques and confirms that it should not have its own article, but as indicated above should be a sentence or two in the
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Nowhere in notability guidelines does it specify that for us to have an article about a procedure it should be "a radical departure from current practice". The important thing is that there is significant coverage in reliable sources, and the information provided by those sources, such as what you
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puts the responsibility on those who wish to keep the article to research the sources and include them. Further, Northamerica1000's copy/paste rationale refuting the delete !voters and article nominator's rationale is useless to this discussion and a waste of database space (yes, all 2kb of it).
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Adding that link was very helpful. I have read the article carefully and as the article itself says Jacobson "stresses that he is not promoting any radical departure from current practice" and "Users affirm that it is in no way a radical departure from current practice - it defines what they are
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subject, virtually unheard of in aviation. Search for refs turns up only the proponent website currently in the article's external links and a few forums. The Knowledge (XXG) article seems to exist just to promote the website and the theory/technique. This article was successfully
444:...the Jacobson flare method seemed the most suitable to provide flare initi- ation and flare control cues. Offline, linear simulation results indicated that the Jacobson method was robust and its performance was comparable to an automatic landing system 860:- what I can see from my search results and what has been presented herer and what is currently in this article, is more of an attempt to get the expressions notability raised rather than a reporting of such current or historic notability. 77:. This one should probably be closed no consensus per !votes, but I feel the discussion very clearly argues that the keep !voter's rationale is all bark and no bite. Rumors of reliable sources do not help the discussion. 334:: If you have access to those refs by all means do add them to the article to show exactly which text can be supported by third party refs, as that will help our discussion here whether to delete, keep or merge into 186: 450:
article appears, from the abstract, to use Jaconson Flare as its primary focus, and hence is definitely notable coverage (although if anyone can find the full article text, it would be useful).
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I agree, but the ref makes it clear the subject only has the potential to be a sentence or two as a stand alone encyclopedia article if the article is to avoid
687:. The sources added to the article are far from passing mentions. They are articles in an academic journal and an avaiation magazine about this precise topic. 315:. The claim of "virtually unheard of in aviation" is systematic bias. It is well known in Australian aviation and taught to commercial pilots. 120: 115: 511: 387: 17: 902: 124: 305: 107: 201: 311:
magazine (July 1999) address the subject directly in great detail. These are more than trivial mentions, therefore it meets
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sources. Merely claiming that sources exist doesn't mean they do. I'm going to see if I can locate them myself now.
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Had he read the nominator's statement he would've seen "Search for refs turns up only the proponent website". v/r -
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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I would argue that these are a little bit more than passing references. Jacobson Flare is not the topic of the
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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without comment in May 2011 and then restored by an Admin at the request of the original article creator.
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mentioned and the ones that were added are just passing mentions that do not establish notability. -
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as not notable, if any secondary references of notability are found it can be added as a sentence in
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I must have my easily-confused head on toady - you're right, of course, although the proposed
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the fact that they are not yet present in the article is not a proper basis for a nomination.”
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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quoted about this being a refinement of existing techniques, can be included in the article.
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and therefore it is not a large enough topic for a separate article from
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On a related note, I've now changed the link in the article to direct to
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article appears to be the same source as the CSA one already listed.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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proper refs can be found it should be a sentence in the article
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articles is not a valid argument for article deletion. Rather,
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articles is not a valid argument for article deletion. Rather,
638:- actually the two refs that have been added are not the ones 25: 756:, which is most definitely more than a passing mention. 729:
That pdf only contains pages 11 to 15 of the magazine.
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207: 68:). No further edits should be made to this page. 887:). No further edits should be made to this page. 8: 583:- Per reliable sources stated above by user 446:, which is more than a passing mention. The 353:Note: This debate has been included in the 352: 705:Here's a PDF of the July 1999 issue of 45:For an explanation of the process, see 745:So it does. Anyone got the rest of it? 562:- see my reply to your comment above. 512:Knowledge (XXG): Articles for deletion 388:Knowledge (XXG): Articles for deletion 442:ARIC article, but it does state that 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 41:deletion review on 2011 September 27 506:– The presence of reliable sources 382:- The presence of reliable sources 24: 304:magazine (February 1998) and the 298:and cleanup/despam. 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