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619:--No one is denying that Mr. Hunter is a film director, or that Amazon sells his stuff on demand. However, the WP community does deny that sites like YouTube.com offer independent verification of notability. Moreover, the COI issue is a bit too self-evident here; not that it takes away from possible notability, but it does raise questions about the believability of some of the statements. Then again, a thorough edit has removed much of the unverifiable and trivial content. What's left is not necessarily questionable, but it's also not notable. Hundreds if not thousands of people have 16mm equipment and have shot movies. Thousands if not tens of thousands have gone to LA to make it big and worked as waiters. I could go on. Subject, until proven otherwise (and I know one WP editor is on the case, perhaps he'll turn up something I (or the original author!) couldn't), is not notable; article should be deleted. 676:"Hundreds if not thousands of people have 16mm equipment and have shot movies. Thousands if not tens of thousands have gone to LA to make it big and worked as waiters." You are being trivial and showing real ignorance. Hundreds and thousands have, but not at ages 14 and 17, and not producing those results, and certainly not in rural Alabama. Mr. Hunter was a local celebrity at that time. However, sufficient time has passed making this virtually impossible to prove. Also, I happen to know that Mr, Hunter didn't move to L.A. to "make it big" and end up as a waiter. In fact, he worked as a waiter for half a day and walked out. Mr. Hunter is at best a C-list celebrity, at worst he is a working actor. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT IF YOU PLAN TO CRITICIZE OR INSULT. 1189:
yet to see any real reason from any of you as to why this article should be deleted other than you just don't like it. I can name hundreds of articles like that but I dont need to delete them. Its very simple, if you dont like James Hunter dont look at his page. Move on. And to those of you who are asking Wiki to block recreation, you deserve a high position in either the Bush Administration or the Nazi party. This is ridiculous.
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the same form, it's already going to be subject to a G4 speedy deletion. Salting the title is not merited by the interactions I've seen here--salting should be more about protecting the encyclopedia and/or targets of BLP violations from egregious issues, not for "sticking it to" new editors who try to contribute something that's not notable and react with misguided but understandable vehemence when "their" article goes bye-bye.
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I'm amazed at the low level of intelligence with which most of you are exhibiting. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this article. It states absolute fact and is backed up by the most reputable movie database in the entire world. And those of you who are crying "vanity" are only envious. I have
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James Hunter, but end up finding the musician, a colonial painter, high school athletes, a guy going to prison... When a guy doing time for writing bad checks comes up higher than you in a Google News search, you know you've got a PR problem. The author's questionable behavior is excusable per his
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No reliable sources? I have listed several external links that prove Mr. Hunter is a film director. Your opinion if what is or is not "notable" or popular enough is your opinion alone and does not reflect any rules or criteria made by Knowledge. All comments and items listed in the article are 100%
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In response to the other comments below, let's not pile on here. Yes, this should be deleted as it stands now. But the author has not expressed an intention to recreate this article (that I've seen), nor has this article been created multiple times previously. If it's recreated in substantially
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So the only helpful thing he said was the one thing in your defense? Quite the one-sided view on things. Anyway, no one said this James Hunter writes bad checks. Google is a fine search engine and a pretty good indicator to one's notability. IMDB is not considered an indicator for notability and
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side." Thanks for that. You wont find our James Hunter writing bad checks, and there is no official website for him. You're relying only on Google? What a joke. IMDB is much more trustworthy. Verifiability? Try making up a phony film and getting it listed on IMDB. It is my opinion that
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I have read the guidelines for film notability, and again that falls within the category of personal taste and opinion. Mr. Hunter's films were released, distributed, and of public interest. And the fact that he made those films at such a young age further argues my case for inclusion.
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You fail to debunk any of the opposing arguments. Entering your films at a film festival does not make one notable. Furthermore, this is about notability, not whether James Hunter and his films exist. Your rather hostile defense of this article is not doing you any favors, by the
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So what if Mr. Hunter doesn't have a publicist. That doesn't make his work any less real. "Lastly, your argument that this James Hunter lacks google hits" Is that your only argument? Google hits? LOL
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Please don't call anyone stupid here again. As for you, you apparently continue to fail to read the relevant policies on sourcing, notability, etc... Here they are for your reading pleasure.
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Everything you've just said is not very helpful at all. Except this: "the vehemence with which this article has been identified as not meriting inclusion may have been a little on the
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Article has been re-written and it is my opinion that the sources cited are notable. Article should NOT be deleted. This was the first article I have written for Wiki give me a break.
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Yes but not anybody has the resume or filmography of James Hunter. Again, these are opinions based on taste and preference, and your remarks are prejudicial in the least.
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can be found which establish the subject's notability and verify the facts in the article. No prejudice against recreation if such sources subsequently become available.
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started this out of a personal bias against Mr. Hunter. You're not gonna find much for our James Hunter on Google, since he was making films before the
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newness to Knowledge--frankly, the vehemence with which this article has been identified as not meriting inclusion may have been a little on the
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true historical fact. I am new to Wiki however, and would appreciate any assistance you might give to make the article more sustainable. jwh3
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Actually I have given you three sources and there are more. IMDB, AMAZON.COM, CREATESPACE.COM, WITHOUTABOX.COM, YOUTUBE.COM, INDIEFLIX.COM
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per not a single, solitary reliable source to establish notability (or anything else). I don't undey therstand why these can't be speedy.
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Administrators should not use creation protection as a pre-emptive measure, but only in response to actual events."
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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obviously. I have credits on IMDB and there's no Knowledge page on me, as there obviously shouldn't be. --
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encapsulates the entire crusade against the inclusion the the James Hunter article. Thank. Ok last time:
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Author is subject of article, and protect from recreation, per all the hilarity posted above.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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has a personal bias against James Hunter is a completely baseless accusation and serious
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Westwood International Film Festival Tracking ID: 06-1014 Entry date: February 08, 2006
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Sidewalk Moving Picture Festival Tracking ID: 06-0004 Entry date: March 17, 2006
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George Lindsey UNA Film Festival Tracking ID: 1230 Entry date: November 08, 2006
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Sidewalk Moving Picture Festival Tracking ID: 06-0003 Entry date: March 17, 2006
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George Lindsey UNA Film Festival Tracking ID: 1231 Entry date: November 08, 2006
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since most of the info is user added, it's also not always reliable. Claiming
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Hollywood Film Festival(r) Tracking ID: 4186 Entry date: January 01, 2006
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Los Angeles Film Festival Tracking ID: 8796 Entry date: January 01, 2006
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Hollywood Film Festival(r) Tracking ID: 4440 Entry date: March 13, 2006
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Not fancy enough for you? Ok here we go with the film festivals. YAWN:
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The one source is imdb, which is just a listing of all films made. See
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Atlanta Film Festival Tracking ID: 3932 Entry date: January 01, 2006
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This product is manufactured on demand using DVD-R recordable media.
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This product is manufactured on demand using DVD-R recordable media.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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I've made a good faith effort to search for RS coverage of
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appears to be the subject of the article itself, per their
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side. Still, at the end of the day, there needs to be
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So what? Does that mean James Hunter doesn't exist??
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Assertion of notability appear to be limited to non-
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James Hunter (film director)
James Hunter (film director)
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