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191:- This seems like a notable population but the article is not very good yet. That doesn't mean we should instantly begin trying to delete a given article before consulting with the original author and attempting to source and improve it rather than instantly obliterating it and all possibility of improving it. A confrontational approach isn't always the best manner to proceed in such cases.
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