219:. This individual has numerous noteworthy accomplishment. 1 Rattray was a local newsreader, 2) she starred in a made for TV film on the TNN network, and 3) she is the first (yes first) Associate Vice President of Indigenous, Government, and Community Affairs. I am sure this position is relatively unique among universities in Canada, and possibly the world. It would be a shame if the world was not made aware of her contributions to news reading, TV acting, and university governing. Do not silence the voice of this strong first nations women, I beg you, please keep the Knowledge (XXG) entry alive!
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University of Winnipeg or First Nation under notable First Nation people. :-)
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which starred Rob Lowe." Arguing here that she's notable because she "starred in a movie with Rob Lowe" and "starred alongside Rob Lowe" seems a bit of a stretch. Also, how does being married to a high school football coach make someone notable? He doesn't even have his own
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You can discuss it at much and as passionately as you want. The part that I'm pointing out is that you put "keep" in bold twice, which makes it appear that two people voted to keep as opposed to only one. If you think she's notable, you should argue that point till your heart's content. I unbolded it
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