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as unverified claim to notability unless someone can establish (with idendependent sources) that this "first" is actually a notable "first". Community college professors are borderline non-notable ex officio, and professors create new classes all the time, although in most cases the "first" is also
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I see three independent sources cited at the article. After reading the information at the sources, I think that Barber is being noticed, and that is the definition of Notability. We have sufficient references and we have notability - he qualifies. I think the nomination here is strictly the
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NN community college teacher, writings far below standard of notability (even a book would not be sufficient without notable coverage of the book), and being the only person to teach a relatively obscure topic at a minor post-secondard institution just isn't the sort of thing that amounts to
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As mentioned at the Talk page, there are others (e.g. at Norwich University). I'm not familiar with his writings, though the claim is that they are in martial arts magazines, not scholarly journals, it seems. The article was originally made by his students while they were vandalizing the
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Non-notable. The person is a teacher at a minor community college that happened to get the martial art he practiced accepted as a credit course. That is not exceptional or notable in the least. Its done all the time.
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Despite some conjecture above, there is nothing to indicate any notability for this person or what encyclopedic value there is in this article. Seems to be no more than any other junior college teacher.
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opinion of the nominator and the reasons given are irrelevant to an AfD. Clearly he is not yet famous nor probably important, but those thresholds are not required for inclusion at WP. --
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as far as his so called "first" goes. Until someone can come up with some reliable, independent sourcing from notable publications and make the article fit WP:BIO, it needs to go. --
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Surviving one AFD makes him notable enough for me. Would nominators please place a link to previous AFD's when doing a subsequent one, it makes it easier to make a proper judgement.
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This is the singlemost heartwrenching XfD I have been involved with. I want to cast a keep vote, but I have trouble convincing myself that this survives
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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page (a martial artist near him with whom he is feuding) as part of a flamewar that spilled over from
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per Elara, none of the sources look anywhere near major enough for him to qualify for inclusion.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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My dad use to work at this College. I am a martial artist. Am I suppose to recuse myself?
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above. Point taken about the link to the original discussion. I put it in near the top.
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Barber doesn't inherit the notability of his style of martial arts.
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one teaching this at a high school in the US, that's notable too. -
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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This is the second afd discussion - the first one can be found
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unless properly sourced and cited showing accordance with
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Nishkid
64
01:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Jerome Barber
Jerome Barber
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Peter Rehse
05:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
here
Peter Rehse
00:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Mgm

11:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Tim Hartman
JJL
12:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
list of Academics and educators-related deletions
Pete.Hurd

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