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as unverified claim to notability unless someone can establish (with idendependent sources) that this "first" is actually a notable "first". Community college professors are borderline non-notable ex officio, and professors create new classes all the time, although in most cases the "first" is also
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Notability. We have sufficient references and we have notability - he qualifies. I think the nomination here is strictly the
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