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therefore a legal non-entity. Second, her judgement should probably not be taken as a reference point; with all due respect for the situation, this girl made decidedly vulgar videos, pasted her name all over the place, and told a hive of trolls that "any fame is ok with her." Third, her family went on national TV with their real names in the midst of a cry that their privacy had been violated. I don't want to introduce critical bias to the article, or this discussion, but the facts to me suggest that trying to act as a protector in this case is a complete lost cause. In short,
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im justifying the bullying, but i think the details make this inherently notable. it may not be talked about as much 2 years from now, but it will, in my opinion, be a part of a lot of writings on cyberbullying, age of consent to post on ones own, parental controls. I would prefer such articles begin as sections in larger articles, but this has the marks of import.
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he might help reduce drama by making the basis of his explanation clearer to the community for when the inevitable DRV was filed, and to clearly encourage review (which would probably be required and good practice even if not). I did not take part in any decision to early close nor express a personal view on the AFD.
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I'll go out on a limb and suggest that any goal other than simply recording the straight facts as they are made available by reliable sources is both unattainable and doomed to failure. First, as Mercury points out she's not just underage but in some jurisdictions not even a juvenile. "Her will" is
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Remember, simply saying NOTNEWS is not an argument. the actual guidelines for news and current events are pretty complex. This, to me, appears to be a unique, new form of cyberbullying, in that the person bullied first engaged in apparently very irresponsible behavior for a person their age. not that
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Disclosure - It came out shortly after the above deletion that the closer had not really meant G10 so much as generalized serious concerns over harm to the point of early deletion (which was roughly his explanation). The wording above was my resulting comment and suggestion to the closing admin how
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and several print and online news outlets, etc, so notability in the present is virtually beyond question. The article could use some sprucing but is surprisingly not that bad, relatively free of bias, decently sourced, etc. My only reservation is that this could die down to sheer nothingness at
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to a certain degree, her own will is irrelevant. she is too young to make decisions for herself about how public she wishes to be. that is the sole responsibility of her parents/guardians, until she is of consent/emancipated. she may want her name on the front page of the NYT, and the parents can
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as always, arguments must be made by policy. At least this is slightly more grounded in valid deletion arguments than the Donny whatshisname one was. I agree it probably is not notable, however I do not concur with the BLP argument. The reasoning of "this will haunt her adolesence" is totally
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per Alison, Cool Hand Luke etc. While the author has made a good faith, conscientious effort to write a balanced article, Knowledge isn't a tabloid newspaper and there's nothing of lasting notability in this. Just because we can write about something, that doesn't mean we always should.
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stronger than anyone else's, for whatever reasons, we also have the responsibility for being one of the most visible hits. We're not here to exacerbate the problem, quite frankly, nor give credence to gutter journalism. And yes, the BLP argument is more than valid here -
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newspaper, but the current article has zero encyclopedic content (apart from "girl acted her age without any thought; girl got bullied; news outlets exploited the situation"), and has no place here. Glorifying 4chan idiots is not part of Knowledge's role. Delete per
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of living persons policy when the article has never tried to be a biography? What is it about this cyberbullying case that warrants deletion when other articles of similar scope and topic exist? It's certainly not the availability of reliable, mainstream sources.
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any time and if that happens I would end up likely supporting deletion, as I do not believe something that merited a few days of minor news coverage is truly noteworthy - still I support keeping at this time since prematurely deleting it is jumping the gun. -
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What was the name of the guy whose article was deleted by Jimbo because even though it was a well-documented internet meme, the meme was an attack on him because of his looks? "First do not harm." This little girl is eleven years old, for God's sake.
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It's difficult to respond to someone who so casually dismisses my attempt at writing a difficult article as a "steaming pile of shit," but here goes: The article isn't a biography of "Jessi Slaughter," and it was deliberately written with
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is easily fulfilled by the broad range of mainstream third-party references (in American and international media), and any bias you perceive should be addressed by editing the article itself and participating on its Talk page.
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Delete as a clear violation of WP:BLP1E: "Merely being in the news does not imply someone should be the subject of a Knowledge article." This is exactly the type of article we have been trying to outgrow as a project. — Carl
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irrelevant - it is not been made up, any source that Knowledge is quoting from will remain in existence, cache'd by Google and the like. The information is out there, Knowledge is merely colating it. She's already done it.
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legally deny her that. however, if any reliable sources show her thoughts, they can be added to article. I wonder if the parents might request that WP protect her identity on her behalf. probably too late for that.
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In borderline cases where the subject wishes deletion, the subject's wishes are generally considered a tipping !vote to delete. (in this case it would probably be the subject or her parents.)
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Tabloid newspapers claim to be .. tabloid newspapers. We're supposed to be an encyclopedia, right? Thus, we should aim to be a little better than that. Furthermore, as our Googlejuice™ is
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I think i agree with you. But more to the point, i think that this thread should be copied onto the talk page of the article, as its important to the discussions occurring there.
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and a great relief for her. Knowing her own will would make the decision easier. Is anything known about this, or is any way of checking this possible? (In the Hope Witsell and
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If this has caused enough of a stir to be mentioned on mainstream media, it's notable enough. As with khfan93's comment, biased portions can be edited to comply with NPOV.
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which does raise the question of "will this still be notable two years hence?" At the present time however it's something of a hotbutton issue, has received coverage on
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heartstrings. Whiny tween mouths off on the internet, attracts the wrath of the Killer /b/'s, hilarity ensues. Her encyclopediadramatica article is a hoot, though.
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of an eleven year old, concerns due to poor sourcing and lack of balance, non-encyclopaedic, and invitation to review at DRV and restore if consensus agrees."
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I'll give you an example. I just had to remove a segment of a sentence that said "she allegedly created nude photographs of herself and released them
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Is there a reliable source stating that actual threats were made and verified by police? BTW, these discussions need to go to talk page. -
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if this is kept, it needs to be on permanent lockdown and high oversite. We are dealing with threats to a living person who is a minor.
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We're all glad you've corrected that inaccurate description in the article, Crisis, but that is not a rationale for article deletion.
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applies to ALL content about living people no matter where it appears. This article cannot exist without content about living MINOR.
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attitudes of mass into a broader view), but an article of that quality may require expert supervision. An article can be both a
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Yes I have. My statement was in response to your "The article isn't a biography" as if that exempted it from BLP criteria.
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for now. Notability is not an issue, its been firmly established. That said, I honestly wonder if this doesn't fall under
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The significance of an event or individual should be indicated by how persistent the coverage is in reliable sources.
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Chosing which speedy delete criteria was difficult, however this page is contentious and may do potential harm.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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per Alison. This isn't worthy of anything past a tabloid newspaper mention, it's a BLP nightmare, and entirely
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Very notable, and with plenty of secondary sources. Also if the article is biased, tag accordingly.
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In that case, you replied to an argument I never made while ignoring every point I actually wrote.
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If they werent then we are totally dealing with a non-event and the article needs to be deleted.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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and I thought it was good enough. But I guess you're right. A better vote would been
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and its aftermath in the context of other notable groups and figures including
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interview as obviously breaking beyond the level of previous coverage.
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to create the article. I didn't write the article until after the
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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and explain which of the criteria the nomination meets.
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without respect to any common sense or anything else. –
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concerns in mind. It discusses the broader impact of
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G10. Pages that disparage or threaten their subject.
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