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in your keep vote. The two criteria mentioned are "The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them" and "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field". I think we can agree to
249:- Read my comments again. He can be heard and seen weekly in millions of homes. He also played on one of the best American college football teams in the late 1960s. Just because you're British (I'm assuming so anyway for how you spelled color) and haven't heard of him, doesn't mean no one else has. 263:
None of what you have written relates to the specific criteria in the guideline you referenced in your vote. Please read what you linked to. Which of the criteria do you believe applies? I'm not trying to badger you, but I don't think you are basing your voting or editing on WP guidelines and
623:. Exactly, why is this discussion still open? It was prematurely afded (and before that speedy afded). I never said i was done with it before this nominations. There's an ongoing discussion about this kind of thing at 325:: President of the Detroit Sports Broadcasters Association, a democratic group of his peers. He was voted in. I think that's quite an honor. Give it up, you're not winning this argument. Admin, can I get a close per 281:: I disagree, he has written 2 books and can be found in hundreds of newspaper articles. He is also 2 time president on an organization of his peers (The Detroit Sports Broadcasters Association), all 3 proving both 190:). Just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean no one else has either. Notability is simply a matter of opinion (so far yours and no one else's opinion), and NOT a matter of fact. He passes 202:(in that channel's case nationwide in both the U.S. and Canada, 2 of the most populated nations in the world) and can be heard on over 40 radio stations in 2 states and Canada, and nationwide on 153: 768:
I agree with bwilkins. I have advised Tom that his comments hurt him the most. In a positive turn of events, he struck out one comment, and I hope he refactors out (deletes) the rest.
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that nominating editor believed they were doing what was best in their opinion for Knowledge. Please, also respect process - "rushing it" does little to help. (
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sense. I know you think this is an argument, but I'm just trying to show you that your vote is not based on the guideline that you yourself offered.
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I changed it to "some", on further searching these articles, I realized that only the first 15 have Jim in the subject. Is this agreeable?
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I'd just as soon leave this alone, but since there seems to be some canvassing going on, I'd like to point out that the assertion that
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ignore the latter. The former criteria says nothing about being mentioned in books or articles - it talks about awards, specifically
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I can fully see why nominator originally nominated this article. Subsequent improvements have helped. I am extremely concerned with
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this article has gone through extensive improvements since the original AfD nomination. Including several more sources, etc.
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of the articles have "Jim" as their subject appears to be a gross inflation, based on my viewing of the search results.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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some of these articles have Jim as the central topic of the article, also mentioned in
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has the article subject won or been often nominated for? It's not a trick question.
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and overall attitude of the the original editor (I hate to say "creator") - please
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Unremarkable local (American) football colour commentator. Declined speedy.
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Though not FA quality, subject is notable and the article has improved.
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He has enough news coverage to meet all requirements for an article.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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because he has a TV show on not one but two national channels
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Make that 8-0. Any body else? The snowball is melting fast...
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list of American football-related deletion discussions
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Index

Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Giants27
C
19:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Jim Brandstatter
Jim Brandstatter
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
Delicious carbuncle
talk
15:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
list of American football-related deletion discussions
LinguistAtLarge
Talk
15:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Dan Miller (sportscaster)
Detroit Lions
Michigan Wolverines football
Knowledge:Notability_(people)#Any_biography
Fox Sports Detroit

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