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Romanian inventor of the jet pack.... Capră's claim of inventing the jet pack was widely believed in Romania, though nowhere else". And I think that says it, in a nutshell. He was an amateur inventor, and later a determined self-promoter, who dabbled into something like a jet pack, but didn't actually invent one, but his claims resonated in a country that loves to think it's responsible for various major inventions, and doubly so once he took on the line that "the Americans" stole his idea.
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