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All of the data in that page is found in SAE J/1979 and ISO 15051-5. Some of the data may also be taken from SAE J2190, SAE J2205, SAE J1850. I don't know how to add these references into the article. None of the text is a transcription of that standard. The source documents I've cited are not
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