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328:: Since deletion is based on the soundness of arguments rather than a majority vote, it seems to me that since this article has not been expanded, it is still alltogether non-notable per Knowledge (XXG)'s notability policy on organizations. Sure, the historical Stella Matutina is notable enough by published references, but there is no evidence indicating that this group is a descendent to or related to that historical organization. I say keep the historical Stella Matutina page and delete this one given that it is a stub with only a website to support it's existence. It is basically nothing more than a vanity page. 48:. I'm sorry guys, but copyright violations take precedence over any Non-delete votes in this AfD. However, per the consensus on this AfD, this article can certainly be created and kept as long as there is no copyrighted content. I checked this article, and it is essentially the same as the links that Bishonen gave. "there's only so many ways to phrase the information" is a common argument for copyright violations, but it's not a valid argument. There are many ways of writing something without breaking copyright. Teachers and professors will certainly agree with me. 213:. On the other topic, I don't think this is a copyvio. The only source of information is the website, which is an acceptable source in an article about the org itself. There's only so many ways basic info can be phrased, and only the quotes are exact wording. Whatever, I have since decided that the org is non-notable. - 239:
The Ordo Stella Matutina is an initiatory Order founded in 2000 dedicated to the dissemination of the traditional teachings of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn through the process of initiation. The Order includes The Hermetic Sanctuary of Ma’at (HSoM), an online based mystery school governed
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That's hilarious. The only piece of infomation I took from that site was the date :-) The rest was already in the article before I discovered that site. Check the history. That just proves what I said: there's only so many ways to phrase the information. I summarized it from various pages on the
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The Ordo Stella Matutina is an initiatory Order dedicated to the dissemination of the traditional teachings of the historic Golden Dawn Hermetic Society through the process of initiation... The Hermetic Sanctuary of Ma’at (HSoM) is an online based mystery school ... governed and operated by the
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Well, there's always room for disagreement about notability, and others may decide differently, so I'd like to avoid discussing a copyvio on the basis of non-notability. Only so many ways basic info can be phrased? I don't want to run this into the ground, but this is from
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and then as a place to put info about the historic Stella Matutina that didn't belong here. I then realized the material was included in the main article and made it a redirect again. It was then revived by
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article, but if this cannot be done it should be deleted. There is imply not enough information to expand, yet if it were merged it would sit nicely in
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that they are utterly different things). Er, I see you started that article as well, 999. Is it all made up of quotes too?
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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article simply because there is no evidence of a connection just yet. ALthought there is a connection to
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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In fact, I have done so. I created a basic stub that doesn't violate any copyrights. --
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and arguments of Baba Louis have caused me to change my mind again. Am I permitted to
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Of its six-line text (on my screen), half is an honestly acknowledged quote from
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Please note that the nominator has withdrawn the nomination (see below)
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order's website. Apparently the author of the witchvox site did too. -
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http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_detail/dt_gr.html?a=uspr&id=27373
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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acknowledged quotes lifted from ritual-magic.com, and from
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and should be redirected there if it is to be redirected.
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article (a little oddly, since I see you stating on
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and operated by the Chiefs of Ordo Stella Matutina.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Deathphoenix
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14:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Deathphoenix
ʕ
14:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Ordo Stella Matutina
999
Talk
21:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Baba Louis
22:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
999
Talk
21:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Stella Matutina
999
Talk
16:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
http://www.ritual-magic.com/
here
Stella Matutina
Talk:Ordo Stella Matutina
Bishonen
talk
22:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Stella Matutina
Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn

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