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of the article if that were indeed the case. However, given the examples of other
Outline articles listed by other editors here which cover a vast array of subjects, its not necessary to confine Outline of Palestine to discussion only of the State. I am very glad for this since my original intent when I discovered the article was to provide liks to all relevant articles dealing with Palestine, both as a state and a region, with a history and people. I'm sad to see that you are not withdrawing your nomination in light of the overwhelmingly negative response to it thus far and in light of the fact that your nom argument is inaccurate given that Outline of articles can in fact deal with subjects other than states.
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Since you mentioned my name and ascribed a position to me, I should perhaps explain: I do not view this article as being solely about the State of
Palestine. I thought that the Outline of ... articles (based on your explanation in the nom) were restricted to states and was willing to narrow the scope
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I don't see the issue as being as clearly different as you do, and neither do many of the sources. The region of
Palestine was home to the Arab people who today identify as Palestinian people long before the creation (or non-creation) of the State of Palestine. I agree that the flag should not be at
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In any event Israel announced it was going to withdraw from Gaza and it claims that it no longer occupies that part of the territory. Some states have entered into bilateral diplomatic and trade agreements on the basis of that understanding. In at least one case, the
Palestinian Authority signed an
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I never said "outline" articles were restricted to states. I just said that the structure of this specific article was modeled after outline articles concerning states. Palestine is not "both a state and a region". You might as well say it's "a state, a region, and a city in Texas". In fact, these
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Over 100 countries have legally recognized the State of
Palestine. They don't question the conflicting or overlapping legal roles of the PNC, PLO and PNA - and there is no legal requirement for them to do so. They simply carry on business with the local governing bodies of the Palestinian
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Since I still believe that this article, under this name, has no place on
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discusses both the island and the state. Yes, the page is better organized and it is clearer which one is the focus, but its not wrong for a page on a state to reference the wider geographical region in which it is located and where its history took place before its creation.
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Your comment that this outline isn't about any specific country is incorrect. The State of
Palestine is an established person of international law. Most countries today have a policy of only recognizing states or countries. They no longer recognize governments at all. see
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Egypt and the Arab League countries recognize the State of
Palestine. Great Britain has a longstanding diplomatic practice of granting retroactive de jure recognition to other states in order to establish the legal basis for claims filed on behalf of British-owned
541:. Per nom. I also suggest adding this discussion to the list of Israel-related articles for deletion, like the pro-Palestinians like to do with any article that has something to do with Israel which they don't like. I'd do it myself but I don't know how.
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Anyway, all this can be discussed on the article talk page, where it should have been discussed in the first place. Given the emerging consensus here regarding the appropriateness of the existence of the page, would you like to withdraw your nomination?
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are totally different entities which happen to be called by a similar name. When we have an ambiguous term, it makes sense to have one disambiguation page, and then other pages that deal with each of its meanings. You wouldn't include information about
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The United States legally recognized the West Bank and Gaza Strip as a country in 1997 at the request of the
Palestinian Authority. At that time it asked the public to take notice of that fact through announcements it placed in the Federal
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Many countries recognize the sovereignty of the State of
Palestine over the natural resources of its territories. Under international law, Hague IV, sovereignty is not effected by occupation of territory. See for example:
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The Road Map is a internationally backed plan which calls for the progressive development of a viable Palestinian State in the West Bank and Gaza as the second phase of a three-part final settlement.
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agreement with Egypt to construct a pipeline from a gas field on the Gaza coast to El Arish. The PA signed an oil and gas lease with a British-owned company, BG, to develop that offshore field.
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The US has diplomatic relations with the Palestinian Authority. The Congressional Research Service reports the US has spent over 4 billion in aid on the West Bank and Gaza since 1993
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Sorry you feel that way. Automatism isn't quite the adjective I would have used given the diversity of opinions and arguments put forward in the keeps. Anyway, to each his own.
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I like the poetic name, anyway. "Master Plan of Pakistan" and "Rough Sketch of Bangladesh" would be good too.
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