352:- I'm not convinced by the keep arguments - being useful to Linux gamers is not notability. Has the website been the subject of media attention? Discussed in any books? Won any awards? I searched the LinuxGames website but could not find the news item mentioned by Comrade Graham. If someone could provide a link, that might help go towards notability, but as always I'd like to see multiple sources.
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mentioned by several online new-sources, mentioned in a few books (though I will admit I did not know that when I made the article), and has the respect of some notable programmers. What more does it need? Just because not everyone on
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is an arbitrary cut-off point, yes, but it doesn't require fame. If it did, we should destroy our coverage of asteroids, customs of old Indian tribes, violent crime in the 17th century, cutting-edge quantum physics theories, obscure but significant sayings, etc., etc., etc... Furthermore, there's no
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Okay, you are entitled to your opinion, but what makes this article any less notable than any others? It is interesting that with so many articles on
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Anyone with any experience in Linux gaming (as I have, I am even a developer) would know the importance of this site. While, this statement in no way shows this article's notability I felt that it should be said. Also note that this site was mentioned by a news source
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