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31: 530:. Why do I say that? Because he thought the British people were stupid. "A nation of shopkeepers," I think he said. Or was that Napoleon? Well, no matter. Anyway, keeping these articles on London bus routes sends the message that we think the British are too stupid to get this information to the world without the help of "an encyclopedia anyone can edit." Not as bad as the 580:
2.) Steve Defour's comments are extremely offensive and should not be considered in the final closing. He should possibly be blocked for them. Being of interest only to a small crowd, such as bus riders, is not a good reason NOT to include an article. I was in London in 1999 on a trip and I rode the
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is an important guideline and shouldn't discarded lightly. It is important for good reason. Without significant coverage in reliable sources, it is usually impossible to have an encyclopaedic article about a subject that is properly verified. These bus route articles are a case in point: they are
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I have added some citations to reliable sources. There are many more such sources available covering other periods in the route's long history and these testify to the route's notability. The comments above, which were based upon the unsourced state of the article, are thus obsolete.
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littered with original research and for all we know could be totally inaccurate. The reason they are littered with original research is because the reliable sources aren't there. For that reason, the original research is fatal and unsalvageable.--
245:. If WikiProjects don't follow accepted standards of notability, and editors block the use of lightweight deletion mechanisms such as PROD, then inevitably articles gets brought to AFD which should be deleted with less effort from the community. 576:
1.) While I still support this being kept, even if the majority say delete, it should be merged to a parent article, and the edit history retained, so in the future, someone can dig up what is already written in an old version, and improve upon
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Fans of the London bus system are not really Nazis. This was a joke. However, I still think bus routes are not suitable topics for WP articles since they are only of interest to potential riders.
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Lots of coverage showing up, but nothing significant except in unreliable sources. I'm disappointed as the route seems to have some history behind it, but it doesn't seem close to meeting
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buses there. I do not see any guideline that says an article must be deleted if it is only of interest to a small number of people.
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London buses are used by many thousands of people; their routes have been around for many generations and so there is much history.
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all information contained in this article is verifiable. The majority of London bus routes are notable, and the system is notable.
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PROD also contested a series of PRODs for West Midlands bus routes for which there was no evidence of notability, such as this one
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There is no discussion there of individual bus routes, other than a few comments such as the wholly unjustified praise for
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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rather than the repeated cycle of procedural objections which have disrupted other similar AFDs? Thank you.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Being a trivial thing that exists in a directory does not justify a stand alone article. See
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Non-notable bus-route, with neither a claim to notability nor any evidence of notability per
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I PRODded it, but the PROD was contested on the grounds of a pre-existing discussion at
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If editors want to keep this article, please can can we have some actual
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or redirect. No significant coverage in reliable third party sources.--
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for now, there is already ongoing discussion on this elsewhere, at
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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