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WP:BIO, or just flat-out disagree with it, then say so, but please don't continue to make these convoluted, fallacious arguments that completely ignore the very well established measures of notability on
Knowledge (XXG). Even if these events in the life of his father were in some way influential in Blair's later years, they can quite properly and adequately be mentioned in the Tony Blair article, a fact to which you seem entirely oblivious. I note from your duplicated "keep" vote below that you may have even less experience with deletion discussions than I previously realized.
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significant factor in the biographical history of politicians. The fact that Tony was raised by someone who's youthful connection to the Daily Worker (and assumedly an acceptance of its editorial stance, even if they didn't get to write the editorials themselves) changed to the Tory party over time is certainly relevant to the broad picture of Blair.
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closing admin to ignore the vague "keep" votes above which make no reference to policy or practice, are unsupported by reliable sources, and rely on vague notions of "influence". Any opinion which starts with "Notable as the father of Tony Blair..." has clearly been made by an editor unfamiliar with
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That's better - NOW we have a reason to keep the article; thanks Oolon. How about we direct our energies now at turning the article into something which majors on the genuine reasons for Blair Snr's notability. Nothing wrong with mentioning the biological trivia too, though, of course. No harm in a
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Come on, Andy, you can't really think that that was my line of reasoning - re-read what I wrote. I was suggesting that based on which ones we have and which we don't, that editors HAVE actually given some thought to whether a particular prime ministerial ancestor deserves their own article or not,
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Do you accept that Tony Blair is notable? If he is notable, then the reasons for why he holds his particular set of political viewpoints are notable. The influence of political attitudes within the home during childhood is generally accepted (admittedly probably not on
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Communist Party newspaper The Daily Worker". That = notability? You did read the article? So you're suggesting that anyone who has fathered (or even "influenced") a notable person, or who has worked as the most junior of copywriters on a niche publication deserves their own Knowledge (XXG)
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I'm not sure what "fancruft" is, but reading between the lines (well, the letters then) of it, I agree with Andy. Having searched no end of dictionaries of national biography etc (Oxford, American, etc) for additions to
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And which policy are you suggesting supports your opinion? Because it is extremely clear in policy and practice that notability is not genetic, which appears to be the sole argument underpinning your position.
654:(vol 2 issue 4 p. 255, find it via Wiley Interscience) as "an excellent primer on the Australian Federal Public Service") clearly is. Or are we assuming that people's notability diminishes as time goes on?
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Notable as the father of Tony Blair and a significant influence on his early life. Just the tenuous connection between The Daily Worker and today's Labour Party is noteworthy. Socialism, imagine that!
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