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mayor and as the first African-American elected official in all of Utah County are not material to her being notable. She is also one of a short list of people who received enough coverage as a congressional candidate that she was clearly notable, even after her first race that she lost. In the case of Teaneck with the inordinate amount of people on the list of people from Teaneck, it really does feel like there has been an unjustified campaign to create articles on people from that community which undermines the broad, world-wide coverage nature of Knowledge (XXG).
222:- First African woman mayor of a sizeable municipality well researched and added to by other editors, why can people just nominate articles for deletion just because they feel like it? It is the same swat team of deletionists backing each otbers arguements from article to article, you can see that here from the list of Mayors of Teaneck on to the actial mayors' pages. It is extremely time consuming to keep answering to these people who have total free range to keep nominatng things for deletion until the cows come home. 1127:. Teaneck is not large enough that its mayors would be automatically notable just for being mayors, and being a place's first woman or first African-American (or first African-American woman) mayor is not an automatic notability boost either. If she'd been the first African-American women to serve as a mayor anywhere in the entire United States, then there'd be a notability case — but if she's merely the first in her own city or county, then that's not a notability freebie in the absence of adequate 1073:- Now that you have asked the question, as far as I can see from the search engine results that what comes up is Lizette Parker being mentioned. It seems that no one has deemed this statistic important enough to list; she just might have been the first black woman mayor of any sizeable municipality in the Garden State but of course we would need a source to clearly state that. 372:
anywhere, every single school board trustee anywhere, every single non-winning candidate for any office anywhere, and on and so forth, if "a few pieces of local media coverage exist" was in and of itself enough to hand them a GNG pass despite failing NPOL. But we don't: the rule is that if they don't pass NPOL, then they have to be demonstrated as significantly
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would clear GNG if all you had to do was show a few pieces of local coverage. If a person does not pass any of our subject-specific inclusion tests, but instead you're shooting for "notable because media coverage exists", then what's required to actually get them into Knowledge (XXG) is significantly
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all the coverage is routine. The only article on her election is a local article from the Bergen paper which almost certainly would run an article on someone being elected no matter who they were. Her election was not even enough to cause coverage in New Jersey wide papers, let alone other papers in
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media. Owners of independent non-chain local retail stores and restaurants would clear GNG if all you had to do was show a few pieces of local coverage; every mayor and every city councillor in any no-horse village (and non-winning candidates for those positions, too) would clear GNG if all you had
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coverage. But the sourcing here isn't demonstrating that she's more notable than the norm, either — it comprises just one verification of the initial election results, some obituaries and one article about a piece of municipal infrastructure being named after her following her death — sources which
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receives in their local media: election-night "who won" summaries, obituaries, things in the city getting named after them after their death, and on and so forth. When it comes to mayors, the difference between "routine" coverage that cannot support notability and "extraordinary" coverage that can
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Firsts are for the Guinness Book of World Records, WP:Notability only requires that "a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Maybe they get that coverage for being the first of something, maybe not, but we do not have articles only on the
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Dude, don't call me a liar. FACT #1: All of your sources are nothing more than obituaries. FACT #2: The Root may be national, but not well-known, besides they wrote little more than a few sentences. FACT #3: The AP article refers to her as "a 44-year-old New Jersey mayor" in the opening sentence,
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being the first African-American woman mayor in the state of Utah for example (I list her because she is the only holder of a state-wide title of this type) might be enough for notability, but Parker's claim is not. For the record, since Mrs. Love is a member of congress, her previous service as
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still claim to pass GNG anyway, if "a couple of pieces of purely local coverage exist" were all it took to exempt them from having to pass NPOL just because they had "passed GNG" instead. We would have to keep an article about every single mayor of anywhere, every single city or town councillor
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Teanech is not a "sizable municipality" it is one of hundreds of mid-sized communities in New Jersey and in the greater New York City area. We would need indepth coverage to show notability, which is lacking here. At least the article does not say she was the first "African-American mayor" of
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African-american mayor in county (and certainly not in the state). Can somebody please tell me who the first african-american female mayor in New Jersey was? I ask this because I honestly don't know and I doubt we have an article on her (we should and she certainly would be more notable).--
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See, this is where I strongly disagree. Notability should not be determined by race or gender (or both). She is the first African-American mayor of a county (in a town that doesn't even directly elect the mayor). As I and others stated before, she is neither the first female nor first
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to do was show a few pieces of local coverage; high school football players would clear GNG if all you had to do was show a few pieces of local coverage; presidents of church bake sale committees would clear GNG if all you had to do was show a few pieces of local coverage; and even
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the metro-area she was in. On the other hand, there is a little more coverage of her death, but this is the type of straight news coverage that comes when a public office holder dies in office, and is still not enough to cause an article on her to avoid the not news rules.
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notable than all of her non-minority predecessors in the same position. If a town isn't large enough that its mayors would all automatically qualify for articles because mayor, then neither her gender nor her racial background make her a special case in the absence of
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is national, and the Associated Press is an international wire service. And New York City media doesn't routinely cover small-town New Jersey news, so whether the New York media is "local" is questionable. Face it, you're wrong about this article.
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It is none of our business why reliable sources cover a subject. We only require, at WP:GNG, that "a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Why they cover a topic is their business.
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mayors to be automatically notable just for being mayors per se. The key to making a mayor notable enough for a Knowledge (XXG) article is not "coverage of her exists", because coverage
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Being the first member of an underrepresented minority group to hold an otherwise non-notable political office is not an inclusion freebie that automatically makes a person
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Besides being local, all these sources (and all except one in the article) are basically obituaries. You'd think she'd get some coverage while she was still alive.--
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Coverage is coverage, that is what defines notability. I really do not know what "routine" coverage is, or what the converse would be of "extraordinary coverage".
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This argument totally ignores the fact that we require above routine coveage for mayors to be notable, especially of places with less than 50,000 people.
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Teaneck, it says she was the first "African-American woman mayor" of Teaneck. Nor does it assert she was the first African-American who was a mayor in
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Those sources help establish believe that she was the first African American woman mayor of a city in Bergen County but not the state in its totality
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Every single mayor of anywhere would always clear GNG if all you had to do was show a couple of pieces of local coverage — yet Knowledge (XXG) does
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Being "first" isn't as notable as we try to make it sound sometimes. Who was the first mayor over 6 feet tall? Or the first one under 150 pounds?
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That's a part you often get wrong. It's not a question of coverage, it's a question of significant coverage. All coverage isn't equal.
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is noted for its racial diversity and diversity of its public officials. On a side note one of the vicinity's most noted residents is
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show. To be considered notable enough for a Knowledge (XXG) article, a mayor of a city of just 39K needs to be shown as significantly
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Titles include "Lizette Parker, groundbreaking mayor of Teaneck, dies at 44" and "History-making N.J mayor remembered at funeral". --
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media coverage than their equivalents in every other city could also show, demonstrating that they're significantly
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notable than most other mayors of most other cities of 39K — but that's not what these sources are demonstrating.
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WP:POL is for people that do not meet the GNG requirement but deserve an article, she meets the GNG standard. --
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does not say that the coverage for local politicians needs to be international or national, just significant.
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she was first African-american mayor of the county, not the country, not even the state, not notable.--
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coverage of her exists than most other mayors could also show". Which is not what's in evidence here.
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owner of one of history's most famous multi-cultural horses tbe Egyptian Jewish triple crown winner
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Another moronic argument. Nobody has suggested giving her a "freebie". She satisfies the GNG. —
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notable than most other non-winning political candidates, etc.) before they actually clear GNG.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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https://www.theroot.com/1st-female-african-american-mayor-in-bergen-county-nj-1790855103/amp
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Article has sufficient sources.  GNG includes local sources and hum-drum sources.
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Nobody said there was a population requirement in the GNG per se. But what there
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Also, routine coverage is coverage, and run-of-the-mill coverage is coverage.
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John Lambert argues the case well. Claims to notability are insufficient.
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support notability is this: does the coverage just represent exactly what
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The Ghits are large including New York television and New York newspapers.
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notable than the norm for their level of prominence (significantly
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