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600:. In this case it might be being a king or queen of a really dumb show but that doesn't matter. BLP1E is made primarily to protect people who have gotten in the news for a single event. Strict application of BLP1E is thus highly unreasonable when the individual has gone to much effort to be the center of attention. Furthermore, there have been followup sources post the original win that give her continuing notability and thus isn't BLP1E anyways. I'd love if we could delete everything related to so called reality-tv but policies, guidelines and common sense don't let us do so. 222:-- as the winner, I think it is marginally notable enough to maintain the article; also, this really should be looked at from the standpoint that she is one of 10 people who are basically in the same boat -- winners with nothing since. I think a mass nomination of the winners would be the way to go rather then a one-off discussion. As a possible compromise, how about a 352:, per jordan's suggestion, the other winner's articles should be AFD'ed if this one succeeds. Some of the winners might merit their own articles independent from the winners list, other not. (And, as per WP:BLP1E compliance, this article is not a biography but just a mention that she won the contest that year and some circumstances around it, so it needs to be merged 514:
was affected by the event. In this case, the subject was a fully willing participant in the show, and won it. There is nothing particularly negative in the article either. The celebrity status (this is a major reality show, on a major network, in a major country), as well as Eastmain's argument is my
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The winner of each season is notable, and the best justification for that is that it makes sense. I've seen lots of articles get written when its 9th place, or something like that and that clearly doesn't count. . I';m not sure about 2nd and 3rd, but certainly 1st. One achievement at the top level
299:. Once notable, always notable. Notability does not expire. We don't talk much today about people who were members of the New Jersey legislature in 1922, but we recognize them as notable. -- 201: 137: 245: 157: 374:
is sufficient for notability. BELPIE applies only when someone is incidentally caught up in something or on the periphery--not the center, not the winner.
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She's notable because she was the winner. Big Brother is definitely a notable competition, and was a pioneering series in reality tv.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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nom is exactly right. Why do we bother having BLP1E if editors are blithely indifferent to its application.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Three years on, it is now evident that this one-time winner of Big Brother squarely fails
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
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is not high. Note also that this article has survived deletion when bundled with
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as this article is sparse and has had ample opportunity to be improved.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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because she was the winner and for no other reason, hence fails
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is inapposite to this case because the underlying premise of
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Once notable, always notable, like being a king or queen of
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Agreed. I assumed that was right but apparently not.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
WP:BLP1E
WP:BLP
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So let it be done
16:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Lisa Donahue
Lisa Donahue
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
WP:BLP1E
reliably sourced
notability
Eddie McGee
Ohconfucius
talk
09:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
WP:BLP1E
Boffob

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