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dressers, sausage makers and catgut spinners flung their offal. The townsfolk of
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601:) not surprisingly is a complete reversal of this one; it is characterized as clean and sweet-smelling, and by the absence of both foul smells and metabolic processes. In the other world there is food and drink of an ambrosial sort, but as more than one villager said, "There is no shit, no piss, and no sweat." There is sex but no issue, no child. Sex in the other world is recreational; sex in this world is for the purpose of procreation, which is ultimately what this world is all about.
1200:. That is totally subjective, I can (again) say that there is one smell that I don't like and state it in a book. Others can say they love the smell, publish this and we have a conflict! Unusual deaths is less subjective, insofar as it is less common for comment on non-unusual deaths, few sources list usual deaths in any detail so you do not get this sort of dispute.
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focused, instead, on the foul smells of the human environment. Densely packed twons, alleyways, markets, overcrowded houses, gaols, hospitals, ships, workhouses, barracks – the confined and congested places of the poor, the sick and the institutionalized – were often viewed as places of 'a thousand stinks' (Figures 1.1 and 1.2).
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The odious, offensive and notorious fountains of stench corrupted the air, created terror amongst the inhabitants, and made the people sick and faint as they passed by. The filthy channel of the Fleet ditch in London was described as 'a nauceious and abominable sink of nastiness' into which the tripe
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The nominator wrote that "this is an entirely subjective, uncompletable, and unencyclopedic subject". I disagree that the list is subjective. The inclusion criterion is that an entry should be added only when a reliable source says it is or can be a source of foul smells. This can be made more clear
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just because all of its entries don't have independent articles. Therefore, that argument is invalid. On the other side, the article being mentioned in Time magazine has absolutely no impact on our decision making here, and thereby that is a completely irrelevant argument for keeping this list. The
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An editor wrote, "Very subjective. Exactly who considers these things foul smelling. I know people that like Durian." If a reliable source said that durian is or can be a source of foul smells, the list's inclusion criteria would say that durian should be included in the article even if some people
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is much corrupted and infected', 'the sinister abscesses' of towns, the 'close, dirty stinking and infected' places, the 'noisome corners' haunted by plaugues and fevers. These were the urban spaces where 'darkness, dirt and stagnant air combine to augment all the evils resulting from the situation.
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Putrid exhalations might also arise and be contained in such closed spaces as cellars, garrets, cells, common lodging houses, tenements, courts, alleys and alehouses. These were the pestilential black spots, the 'pest-houses of concentrated contagion', 'the foul and loathsome places' where 'the air
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I put this unpatrollled article up for PROD, subsequently removed from that list so taking it to AFD. I contend that this is an entirely subjective, uncompletable, and unencyclopedic subject. "Foul" is in the nose of the beholder and a list of stinky things is little more than an amusement, serving
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