401:. The only time I could see it being encyclopaedic would be in a situation where an artist has a significant body of unreleased songs which is a major source of interest and gets coverage in reliable sources. "Lost" recording sessions held up by contractual disputes could make the cut in some cases and the level of interest in Michael Jackson's unreleased material is undeniable. I don't think that there is anything comparable here. All artists record stuff that they eventually decide doesn't work or isn't suitable for release. It isn't really for us to be asking what stuff they are chucking out. --
396:
I am certainly not arguing against coverage of pop culture to an appropriate degree. I am not suggesting for a moment that we should not have discography articles for major artists and this has absolutely nothing to do with what I think of the artists themselves. I just feel that covering unreleased
292:
seems to apply here. Besides both look deletable to me (although I am certainly not going to nominate them while this is pending). The AfD you mention looks like a bit of a farce, a point seemingly accepted by the person who put it out of its misery in their sardonic closing comment. My comment that
434:
article intro which is pointless with respect to this list article. The list itself does not establish notability. There are no sources. A quick perusal that I conducted did not indicate that the topic of unreleased songs from
Rihanna is in any way notable. Note that I am not objecting to
344:
I have no immediate plans to put any of those articles up for deletion although I see them as unencyclopaedic fancruft. How many such articles are there? If there are more than a handful then I am thinking that it would be better to seek a policy clarification on them than to approach them
287:
If you want to disagree with my deletion rationale then fine but please do not deny that there is one. I see these articles as trivial (hence unencyclopaedic), indiscriminate and incomplete (hence useless) lists. I was not aware that we already had articles like the two you mention but
293:
certain unreleased tracks might be notable enough for mention as a footnote to a discography is certainly not a suggestion that a whole load of unreferenced trivia be merged anywhere. I have added the words "any of" to the nomination to make this clearer.
296:
Our notability criteria are simple: Significant coverage in reliable sources. Do we have reliable sources discussing unreleased
Rihanna songs in significant depth? A mere listing is enough for verifiability but not proof of notability.
261:, a featured list, unreleased songs by major recording artists are not only viable topics, but of course verifiable from the fact that even unreleased songs are registered with professional rights organizations such as ASCAP. See also
152:
370:, I think we're usually better off focusing our "seriousness" on the way in which we cover subjects instead of on deciding what subjects are "serious". One of the meanings of "encyclopedic" is "comprehensive", cultural history
262:
435:
articles or lists of unreleased songs in general, simply that there isn't justification for one specifically with respect to
Rihanna. That may change in the future as her career progresses. --
146:
430:- I don't see anything in terms of coverage that would justify a list of unreleased songs for Rihanna. At this point, the article consists of an introduction that is a copy of the
113:
86:
81:
90:
73:
224:
204:
187:
this information at all, and it would need to be referenced properly, then it belongs as a minor footnote to an existing article, not an article of its own.
341:"Trivial" obviously implies a notability concern. I'll admit I could have worded the nomination better but notability was the key point from the outset.
345:
individually. If nothing else it would avoid the fans thinking it was a pop at their favourite artists. I am truly incredulous that we have allowed
316:
258:
311:
No, even giving your comments every benefit of the doubt (to which you have only now added notability concerns), you have a merger candidate for
167:
375:
134:
17:
486:
463:
444:
410:
398:
391:
358:
336:
306:
278:
238:
216:
196:
55:
128:
124:
368:
Even speaking as someone who thinks Spears is utter garbage and a blight upon music, gender politics, and culture generally
77:
174:
501:
289:
36:
69:
61:
363:
500:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
367:
140:
250:
459:
406:
354:
312:
302:
212:
192:
482:
160:
320:
455:
386:
331:
273:
234:
29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
402:
350:
298:
208:
188:
52:
474:
254:
183:
Contested PROD. This seems to be an unreferenced and trivial list. If there is a place for
257:. We don't delete articles just because they are currently unreferenced. Judging from
478:
440:
380:
325:
267:
230:
107:
49:
436:
431:
315:, which is not an AFD concern. And let me know how your AFD of the FL
263:
Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/List of unreleased
Madonna songs
249:, no valid deletion rationale presented, and the nom appears to be
494:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
319:
goes (one of "these articles" you consider "trivial"?);
103:
99:
95:
159:
173:
39:). No further edits should be made to this page.
504:). No further edits should be made to this page.
399:List of pop stars favourite breakfast cereals
8:
223:Note: This debate has been included in the
203:Note: This debate has been included in the
349:such articles in a serious encyclopaedia.--
225:list of Lists-related deletion discussions
222:
205:list of Music-related deletion discussions
202:
454:referencing / sources are not optional.
317:List of unreleased Britney Spears songs
259:List of unreleased Britney Spears songs
397:songs is a step to far on the road to
18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
7:
376:50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can't Be Wrong
24:
70:List of unreleased Rihanna songs
62:List of unreleased Rihanna songs
1:
487:19:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
464:21:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
56:02:47, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
445:17:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
411:21:11, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
392:15:33, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
359:15:13, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
337:14:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
307:14:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
279:14:11, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
239:00:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
217:23:30, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
197:23:23, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
521:
364:Category:Unreleased songs
497:Please do not modify it.
32:Please do not modify it.
313:List of Rihanna songs
321:I'd like to see that
290:WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS
44:The result was
251:demanding cleanup
241:
228:
219:
512:
499:
229:
178:
177:
163:
111:
93:
34:
520:
519:
515:
514:
513:
511:
510:
509:
508:
502:deletion review
495:
120:
84:
68:
65:
37:deletion review
30:
22:
21:
20:
12:
11:
5:
518:
516:
507:
506:
490:
489:
467:
466:
448:
447:
424:
423:
422:
421:
420:
419:
418:
417:
416:
415:
414:
413:
342:
294:
282:
281:
243:
242:
220:
181:
180:
117:
64:
59:
42:
41:
25:
23:
15:
14:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
517:
505:
503:
498:
492:
491:
488:
484:
480:
476:
472:
469:
468:
465:
461:
457:
453:
450:
449:
446:
442:
438:
433:
429:
426:
425:
412:
408:
404:
400:
395:
394:
393:
389:
388:
383:
382:
377:
374:serious, and
373:
369:
365:
362:
361:
360:
356:
352:
348:
343:
340:
339:
338:
334:
333:
328:
327:
322:
318:
314:
310:
309:
308:
304:
300:
295:
291:
286:
285:
284:
283:
280:
276:
275:
270:
269:
264:
260:
256:
252:
248:
245:
244:
240:
236:
232:
226:
221:
218:
214:
210:
206:
201:
200:
199:
198:
194:
190:
186:
176:
172:
169:
166:
162:
158:
154:
151:
148:
145:
142:
139:
136:
133:
130:
126:
123:
122:Find sources:
118:
115:
109:
105:
101:
97:
92:
88:
83:
79:
75:
71:
67:
66:
63:
60:
58:
57:
54:
51:
47:
40:
38:
33:
27:
26:
19:
496:
493:
473:per Stuart.
470:
456:Stuartyeates
451:
427:
385:
379:
371:
346:
330:
324:
272:
266:
246:
184:
182:
170:
164:
156:
149:
143:
137:
131:
121:
45:
43:
31:
28:
403:DanielRigal
351:DanielRigal
299:DanielRigal
247:Speedy keep
209:DanielRigal
189:DanielRigal
147:free images
479:causa sui
231:• Gene93k
185:(any of)
114:View log
48:. v/r -
432:Rihanna
381:postdlf
326:postdlf
268:postdlf
153:WP refs
141:scholar
87:protect
82:history
475:WP:TNT
471:Delete
452:Delete
428:Delete
255:merger
125:Google
91:delete
46:delete
168:JSTOR
129:books
108:views
100:watch
96:links
16:<
483:talk
460:talk
441:talk
437:Whpq
407:talk
387:talk
355:talk
332:talk
303:talk
274:talk
235:talk
213:talk
193:talk
161:FENS
135:news
104:logs
78:talk
74:edit
378:.
366:.
347:any
323:.
265:.
253:or
175:TWL
112:– (
485:)
477:.
462:)
443:)
409:)
390:)
372:is
357:)
335:)
305:)
297:--
277:)
237:)
227:.
215:)
207:.
195:)
155:)
106:|
102:|
98:|
94:|
89:|
85:|
80:|
76:|
481:(
458:(
439:(
405:(
384:(
353:(
329:(
301:(
271:(
233:(
211:(
191:(
179:)
171:·
165:·
157:·
150:·
144:·
138:·
132:·
127:(
119:(
116:)
110:)
72:(
53:P
50:T
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.