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401:. The only time I could see it being encyclopaedic would be in a situation where an artist has a significant body of unreleased songs which is a major source of interest and gets coverage in reliable sources. "Lost" recording sessions held up by contractual disputes could make the cut in some cases and the level of interest in Michael Jackson's unreleased material is undeniable. I don't think that there is anything comparable here. All artists record stuff that they eventually decide doesn't work or isn't suitable for release. It isn't really for us to be asking what stuff they are chucking out. -- 396:
I am certainly not arguing against coverage of pop culture to an appropriate degree. I am not suggesting for a moment that we should not have discography articles for major artists and this has absolutely nothing to do with what I think of the artists themselves. I just feel that covering unreleased
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seems to apply here. Besides both look deletable to me (although I am certainly not going to nominate them while this is pending). The AfD you mention looks like a bit of a farce, a point seemingly accepted by the person who put it out of its misery in their sardonic closing comment. My comment that
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article intro which is pointless with respect to this list article. The list itself does not establish notability. There are no sources. A quick perusal that I conducted did not indicate that the topic of unreleased songs from Rihanna is in any way notable. Note that I am not objecting to
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I have no immediate plans to put any of those articles up for deletion although I see them as unencyclopaedic fancruft. How many such articles are there? If there are more than a handful then I am thinking that it would be better to seek a policy clarification on them than to approach them
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If you want to disagree with my deletion rationale then fine but please do not deny that there is one. I see these articles as trivial (hence unencyclopaedic), indiscriminate and incomplete (hence useless) lists. I was not aware that we already had articles like the two you mention but
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certain unreleased tracks might be notable enough for mention as a footnote to a discography is certainly not a suggestion that a whole load of unreferenced trivia be merged anywhere. I have added the words "any of" to the nomination to make this clearer.
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Our notability criteria are simple: Significant coverage in reliable sources. Do we have reliable sources discussing unreleased Rihanna songs in significant depth? A mere listing is enough for verifiability but not proof of notability.
261:, a featured list, unreleased songs by major recording artists are not only viable topics, but of course verifiable from the fact that even unreleased songs are registered with professional rights organizations such as ASCAP. See also 152: 370:, I think we're usually better off focusing our "seriousness" on the way in which we cover subjects instead of on deciding what subjects are "serious". One of the meanings of "encyclopedic" is "comprehensive", cultural history 262: 435:
articles or lists of unreleased songs in general, simply that there isn't justification for one specifically with respect to Rihanna. That may change in the future as her career progresses. --
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this information at all, and it would need to be referenced properly, then it belongs as a minor footnote to an existing article, not an article of its own.
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individually. If nothing else it would avoid the fans thinking it was a pop at their favourite artists. I am truly incredulous that we have allowed
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No, even giving your comments every benefit of the doubt (to which you have only now added notability concerns), you have a merger candidate for
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Even speaking as someone who thinks Spears is utter garbage and a blight upon music, gender politics, and culture generally
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Contested PROD. This seems to be an unreferenced and trivial list. If there is a place for
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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goes (one of "these articles" you consider "trivial"?);
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