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143:- Useless is incorrect as it's already provided me with info what I didn't know and couldn't easily work out elsewhere. Incomplete is not an issue as most things on wiki are incomplete. Why is it unmaintainable? I suspect it's quite maintenable remember this is the football section that has the number of match appearances on the football player infobox, something that changes about once a week for every active footballer! Footballers moving country doesn't happen anything like as often. 396:, if something can be fixed without deleting it, then it isn't a very good candidate for deletion. Also, coverage in a category isn't a good rationale for deletion of a list, since they are meant to be synergistic, with each making up for the others weaknesses. The deletion of this list would put a hole in the list navigation system, much in the same way that deleting the category would put a hole in the category system. 305:
has resulted in two main link-based systems of navigating Knowledge (XXG). See the navigation menu at the top of Knowledge (XXG):Contents, and see Category:Categories. Many users prefer to browse Knowledge (XXG) through its lists, while others prefer to navigate by category; and lists are more obvious to beginners, who may not discover the category system right away.
229:. This is the list equivalent of the "English expatriate footballers" category and should be kept as such. Nominators rationale for deletion is extremely flimsy, as Knowledge (XXG) is not working toward a deadline and nothing on Knowledge (XXG) will ever be complete. Combined with the guidelines put forth in 349:
Can a category list short summaries of the players? Can a category group them by the locations that they are playing in? There are reasons that redundancy between lists and and an accompanying category isn't a reason for deletion, and one of them is that lists can do a lot more for a human reader
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Actually I reviewed it before !voting having seen it cited in rebuttal to another delete !vote. However, it also states that the guideline "should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception." My opinion is that this list is an exception to the rule as it is quite a trivial subject in
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Rather, they are synergistic, each one complementing the others. For example, since editors differ in style, some favor building lists while others favor building categories, allowing links to be gathered in two different ways, with lists often leapfrogging categories, and vice versa. This approach
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Therefore, the "category camp" should not delete or dismantle Knowledge (XXG)'s lists, and the "list camp" shouldn't tear down Knowledge (XXG)'s category system - doing so wastes valuable resources. Instead, each should be used to update the
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Unsustainable, unmaintainable, useless and permanently-incomplete list of nominal value even if it were ever complete.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Redundancy between lists and categories is not a valid reason for deletion. Please see
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These methods should not be considered to be in conflict with each other.
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that this list is being used usefully and therefore it's a keep.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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This is an improvement argument, not a deletion argument. Per
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and I think the category is more than enough to cover it.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Philippe
05:01, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
List of English footballers not playing in England
List of English footballers not playing in England
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
Cloudz679
talk
11:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
SunCreator
talk
13:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Category:English expatriate footballers
Punkmorten
talk
12:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
CLN
Celarnor

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