221:. Character descriptions are a necessary part of coverage of any notable serial fiction. GNG is satisfied by the notability of the series, the discriminate criteria is characters from that series, and at a minimum the series itself is an appropriate source for straightforward descriptions. All of which leaves us with this being at most a merger candidate purely under
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Within the same article that sort of differenciation doesn't violate policy (especially since the article you're referring to has substancial "real-world" sections), though I still consider it redundant if the plot summary and the character-by-character plot summary tell the same thing. When dealing
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Though the main plot section needs trimming, doing it in favor of a non-notable and unsourced character list doesn't seem logical to me. I've never been a fan of these "list of XXX characters", I always considered a plot section in the main article was enough, and lists as unacceptable plot-dump
259:: "No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: The evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition". The notability of the series does NOT satisfy GNG for this article. Please also read
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