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221:. Character descriptions are a necessary part of coverage of any notable serial fiction. GNG is satisfied by the notability of the series, the discriminate criteria is characters from that series, and at a minimum the series itself is an appropriate source for straightforward descriptions. All of which leaves us with this being at most a merger candidate purely under 662:
Within the same article that sort of differenciation doesn't violate policy (especially since the article you're referring to has substancial "real-world" sections), though I still consider it redundant if the plot summary and the character-by-character plot summary tell the same thing. When dealing
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are not just "rules of thumb to follow as long as is feasible". WP:AVOIDSPLIT directly depends on these two policies. A split article is still an article, thus has to meet all the usual policies and guidelines, and if it doesn't, then it is deleted or merged back, depending on the context. I haven't
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Though the main plot section needs trimming, doing it in favor of a non-notable and unsourced character list doesn't seem logical to me. I've never been a fan of these "list of XXX characters", I always considered a plot section in the main article was enough, and lists as unacceptable plot-dump
259:: "No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: The evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition". The notability of the series does NOT satisfy GNG for this article. Please also read 263:: "Knowledge articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources", thus the series itself isn't an appropriate source if the article is based only on it. And of course the list is 164: 738:
Not quite. Both of the Mania reviews, the 'Complete Collection' review at activeAnime, the Animefringe review, and both ANN reviews may be useful. BTW, you can take the merge option as including the possiblity of a redirect. –
618:, Knowledge articles should not be summary-only descriptions of works. Knowledge treats fiction in an encyclopedic manner, discussing the reception and significance of notable works in addition to a concise summary. 442:. If plot summaries are too long to fit in one section of the main article, the solution is not to split plot elements into seperate articles, but to trim the amount of plot you're gonna cover in the main article. 438:, "Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale", meaning that editors can't just decide that character lists are exempted from 408:
the content cannot be trimmed down enough to not be unwieldy in the main article, it is split. Do you think it is uncommon for AFDs to keep splitoffs that do not independently satisfy the GNG?
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A plot overview of the whole series is no substitute for a clear list of and basic description of the series' characters, a standard part of any series article.
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how Knowledge treats fiction? You should probably spend some more time reading and editing articles, so as to acquaint yourself with the difference between
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is already (too) extensively covered in the main article, covering the plot on a character by character basis is redundant to the main plot section.
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As I've explained, I don't think there is anything to merge as plot on character by character basis is likely to be identical to plot in general.
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issue, and character reviews are unlikely to be substancial enough and might be more appropriate in the "reception" section of the main article.
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Well you can always shorten the information in the main article so that it wouldn't be redundant. Isn't that what we normally do anyway?
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sections and why series articles have both, and discussing rather than lecturing everyone on what you think the law of the land is.
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There's enough content to split off anyway. Besides, it the article needs massive, massive cleanup, especially since it's about the
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Could you explain which one precisely, and what element do they source ? Referencing plot elements won't solve the
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rather than the manga, meaning it makes the cardinal sin of "based on the manga of", which is not allowed per the
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See comment below re: splitting. You'd do better to focus on trimming and merging this back to the main article.
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Explain the difference between "plot overview" and " basic description of the series' characters", please. Per
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is clear on this, as is broad practice and consensus and past AFDs regarding character lists or episode lists.
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because there is no external source indicating why all these characters are being covered on WP.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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with separate articles, however, there is a problem if we don't have secondary coverage.
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seen a broad consensus regarding character lists, some get deleted, some don't, and per
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I made this article as a split off from the main as placing it in the
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Split articles are not exempted from meeting the GNG, per
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list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions
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list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions
195:Non-notable, unreferenced fancruft list, violating 578:splits. There are good lists of character such as 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 778:). No further edits should be made to this page. 52:. Without prejudice towards a merge discussion. 185: 8: 516:Note: This debate has been included in the 494:Note: This debate has been included in the 332:Note: This debate has been included in the 546:. There is nothing to merge as the series 518:list of Lists-related deletion discussions 515: 493: 331: 698:– There are references to be found at 7: 364:as it is needs major work done. - 229:considerations, and therefore per 24: 237:not a proper deletion candidate. 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 542:: no secondary sources, fails 1: 753:04:41, 12 August 2012 (UTC) 76:List of Haré+Guu characters 68:List of Haré+Guu characters 62:19:40, 14 August 2012 (UTC) 795: 734:17:15, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 716:14:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 673:22:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 658:22:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 628:17:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 610:15:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 592:10:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 573:10:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 560:09:09, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 532:00:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 510:00:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 478:23:20, 7 August 2012 (UTC) 452:17:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 422:15:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 392:09:09, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 374:22:19, 7 August 2012 (UTC) 346:21:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC) 319:17:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 305:15:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC) 251:18:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC) 213:18:08, 7 August 2012 (UTC) 767:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 396:Au contraire. 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