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554:. Orthodox parishes in Alaska are likely to have a lot of history, since Alaska was once a Russian possession and the Russian Orthodox Church was then Russia's established church. Some of the parishes were established under Russian rule, so they have been around a long time. The absence of an article is not a proof of non-notablity; it simply means that nobody has gotten around to writing an article on the topic yet. --
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