192:. During discussions, we assured the people who maintained the categories that no information would be destroyed when the categories were removed and more detailed information could be added to the lists. PLEASE! don't delete these lists. If you do, people will start recreating the categories. This information makes much more sense as a list than as a category. I think it is impractical to say that cast lists should not have any home on Knowledge (XXG). People will continue to add this information faster than we can remove it. Let it exist on lists. That is the most appropriate form this information can take. --
244:. Using categories for cast members became a nightmare, as actors may perform in up to one hundred films and TV shows during their careers. The resulting block of category links at the bottoms of the articles for some actors became very difficult to read and use for navigation. Turning these lists back into categories would be highly disruptive.
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Cast lists should almost never be done as categories. Leave either as a list article or merge the cast list into the main article for the show. See
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