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strokes), some discussion about who can compete (is this amateur or professional?), and a sentence about what sources were used to compile the list. A list of names and years by itself is not encyclopedic. The addition of the "lead" as of today is a slight improvement, but I think the items I mentioned should be minimum requirements for a List article.--
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with changes) When I first tagged this article the 2-sentence lead did not exist. I believe Knowledge lists should have a lead paragraph telling the reader why the list is notable, explaining the categories (in this case perhaps a brief description of the strokes with wikilinks to articles about the
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The winners of national swimming titles are obviously notable sportsmen and women and this is linked to the article on the championships themselves. It's too large to be a part of that one though. The red links in a list allow editors to see which competitors currently lack an article, this is why
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The redlinks need to be 'pruned' by being turned into blue links by having articles written about them. Are you suggesting deleting random events from random years because no such article has been written yet? That seems to defeat the whole point of wikipedia, and indeed of an encyclopedia.
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You could always add such a lead yourself. Not everyone who starts an article on wikipedia knows as much about its norms as you. As the AfD page says, an attempt to research and fix an article should be made before asking it to be deleted.
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Sorry Nick, let me make that clearer. Clearly where someone in this list is notable then the red-link should remain and an article created. My concern was that some of the red-links may be non-notable people - One can't assumme
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the notability (although again it would seem likely) My take on this is that if a list is in Knowledge because it is better than using a category then in general the fewer red links the better. Resolving this by adding
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WP:BIO says that sports people have to have competed at the highest level in their sport or in a fully professional league. I fail to see how being a national champion in a swimming event doesn't pass this hurdle.
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that being a Swedish Swimming Champion makes you notable (or though it would seem to make it fairly certain) - this is why is said "possibly". In addition one can't assume that we would be able to
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Ugh. I'd rather see this broken down into individual articles on each Championship, with a list of the winners in each article, but this is what we have. It's ugly, but it's encyclopedic.
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Was prodded as "no context, encyclopedic". I felt it could use some discussion, so I carried it to AfD. There already appears to be relevant categories. Procedural nom, no opinion.
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they're better than categories. It also allows readers to see the years in which various people won, again something which categories can't do. If this goes we could always delete
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Serves as a guide for navigation and is to long and unwieldy to live elsewhere. Notability is ok, but possibly some redlinks may need to be pruned.
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Apart from which, this is not a WP:BIO article anyway, it's a list of national champions with links where appropriate to those who
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I've added some, and some humor - plus fixed the dates. Please correct anything I said about swimming that is incorrect.--
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
375:- seems like a notable enough subject to me. I find the lists encyclopedic and necessary. What is the problem? 522:. A valuable indexing page that provides both links to athletes, all of whom are presumptively notable by 323: 307: 289: 539: 496: 420: 337: 244: 29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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The page has been split off into two sub-pages, those pages are being listed here:
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content is the best way to remove red-links, of course.
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List of Swedish Swimming Championships champions (women)
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List of Swedish Swimming Championships champions (men)
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11:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
List of Swedish Swimming Championships champions
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