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339:- there is a source. I'm not sure whether the lists really are notable enough to keep (as long as we delete or keep all of them), but precedent with television episodes would seem to imply that the article can be kept. (N.B: HughGRex posted a deletion notice on my talk page with a statement opposing deletion, but I don't think it was excessive, and it did not influence this vote) 200:. I don't know what would be needed to "assert notability." More to the point, Jeandré's explanation seems to be flawed. It says that there are no reliable, published, third party sources. In fact, as I explain in the article's Discussion, the whole list is sourced to the Wait Wait...Don't Tell Me! website. As for "notability": why would this article be less notable than 364:
with no sources, I think Knowledge (XXG), as a community, has come to the decision that these sorts of articles are OK. At any rate, the info on these pages is correct (except for 2003 where someone reposted 2004, i'm in the middle of fixing it as we speak) and it does not harm anyone. It's not spam,
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Such articles are very common in Knowledge (XXG), because they perform the service of being an easy source of information that some people apparently find useful. Those who seek to rid Knowledge (XXG) of such innocuous technical violations of a rule that they hold dear will find themselves very busy
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and all of its sub-pages. each of those appearances, by your measure, is not notable. Most guests appear on The Daily Show without "credible news articles" being written about it, but they go on that page with no source listed. At least I bothered to give a source when I started the ones for Wait
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We are not saying keep this article because there are others like it. We are saying keep this article because there are many, many like it which are much more high profile and much more visited and are generally accepted. This is not the same as saying keep this vandalism because there is other
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because of its lack of sources and all the red links on there - there probably aren't any RP3 sources for it. If that also leads to deprodding, AfD, discussions without any RP3 sources being added, it should also be deleted.
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vandalism or overtly non-encyclopaedic. In fact it's perfectly mainstream. The only difference is that it's one of the first radio shows to get this treatment and I think that that's why you are treating it this way.
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vandalism. In that case, we can all agree that vandalism is bad and few will ever argue with you for taking it down. But in this case, just go and try to delete the obsessively detailed, completely unsourced
224:, in addition to many others. To me, that indicates notability. Knowledge (XXG) performs a useful service by collecting the guests together in an easily accessible list. There would not be room in the 138: 360:
Wait. The only difference is that this is a very popular radio show instead of TV and you've never heard of it yourself. That's no reason to delete these articles. If this article exists:
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with NO third party sources, then there is room for a Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! page like this. If you want to delete this page then you'll have to delete this one:
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This last is either an implausible or an irrelevant argument in the current case. The idea that someone might be libeled because their name appeared on a list of
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A blog may be a better place for this than an encyclopedia if there is no significant coverage in reliable, published, third party sources. --
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That was in reply to Sock's "it does not harm anyone", but non notable article not sourced to reliable, published, third party sources
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guests, sourced from the show itself, requires quite a confluence of imagination and ignorance of what constitutes libel.--
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A third party source means it's independent from the people producing it, NPR is not a third party to an NPR show.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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the guests pretty much define each episode, this is essentially equivalent to an episode list.--
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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of their appearance on the show, so the subject does not inherit notability from the guests.
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Articles for deletion/List of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! guests (2005) (2nd nomination)
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article to include a list of all guests over the 12-year history of the show.--
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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These non notable articles can harm people when they're vandalized with
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guests, but those pages exist and are accepted by the community. -
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Fritzpoll
talk
20:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
List of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! guests (2005)
Articles for deletion/List of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! guests (2005)
Articles for deletion/List of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! guests (2005) (2nd nomination)
List of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! guests (2005)
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
notability
trivia
reliable, published, third party sources
wp:OSE
Jeandré
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05:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Kiwikibble
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05:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

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