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357:, good for information, navigation. It's also discriminate, verifiable. Not a lot of movies actually have the president as a character, so it's not impossible to keep on top of. Frankly, this list would be a sound candidate for a featured list. And, although it's not a criteria for deletion, I'd propose that in the absence of sound criteria, editors should take into mind whether or not they're destroying the hard, well-intentioned work of other editors. There's just no good reason to do that here. -- 421:(not a policy or guideline), but simultaneously we get this comment at the top of this discussion: "actors can play dozens or hundreds of different roles in the course of their careers. Listing actors by the parts they play is rather trivial" So we can't argue usefulness but we can argue what is essentially the opposite, because that's what "trivial" actually means here. Anyone who wants to study how actors have played presidents, real and fictional, would find this list .... 223:
Despite precedence, this list does not seem way too trivial. It's not every other actor who gets to play the role of the President of US. Well, the list is virtually unsourced. If there is some doubtful entry, that may be questioned. But the list apparently seems to be well researched. Yes, Knowledge
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well-laid out list (with more than just names) with finite membership criteria (so long as high school plays and class assignment movies are excluded). I expect that playing POTUS is a significant step in the life of an actor that is not taken lightly, therefore this is not pointless trivia. Anyone
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per Dwaipayan. You certainly wouldn't want a list of "Actors who have played people named Bob" or "Actors who played government employees," but President of the U.S. is obviously more remarkable than that. Someone has put a tremendous amount of work into organizing this list. It's well done per
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is also not a particularly persuasive argument. One could justify a list of any sort of actor by role by saying "it's not any actor who gets to play..." whoever, including "it's not every actor who gets to play a guy named Bob" and "it's not every actor who gets to play a government employee" and
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It's not every actor who gets to play the role of Hamlet either, and in fact there are numerous sources that name Hamlet as the definitive role that an actor can play. They were cited in the Hamlet AFD and were not considered persuasive enough to save it.
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Useful index to information in Knowledge (XXG). Someone who wonders "who was the actor who played FDR in that film, I think it was called Camp David or something like that" can browse this list. Categories don't do that.
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Fine, strike "trivial" and substitute "completely insignificant." It is completely insignificant in the career of an actor who has played hundreds of different parts that one of the parts he played was the POTUS.
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has stated below, this list would be a sound candidate for a featured list, provided some more works are put into it, necessary references provided and lead is adequately expanded. Regards.--
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films and TV shows (which it is). If this article was renamed and contained an inclusion criterion, would he still object? The nomination cites no policy or guideline and
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Except that the significance to an actor's career of playing the POTUS isn't the only reason somebody might want to read the article. Anyone who wants to study how
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both are every bit as objectively true as saying it about "the President." There's nothing inherently special or notable about playing the President.
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AfD discussion as a precedent - not enough to convince me that this well-structured and easily manageable list should be deleted. --
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I agree with all the keep comments above. The office of US President is a specific and special case in fiction and film.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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who qualifies for this list meets the notability requirements to have a Knowledge (XXG) article about them. --
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completely insignificant aspect of an actor's career, not as a list of portrayals of U.S. Presidents in
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Otto4711 appears to be objecting to this list on the basis that playing the President is a
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Taking cue from your own opinion this list seems even more significant. You have told
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of presidents, real and fictional, would find this list .... not insignificant at all
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Anyone interested in this discussion may also be interested in the similar
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when someone calls an article up for deletion as "useful" Otto cites
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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of presidents, real and fictional, would find this list ....
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List of actors who played President of the United States
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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Wizardman
20:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
List of actors who played President of the United States
List of actors who played President of the United States
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Actors who have played Hamlet
Otto4711
03:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Ozgod
03:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Calton
Talk
04:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Alex43223
04:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
POTUS
Vsion
06:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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