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content encyclopedic, though unnecessary, and considers the scope of the article to be too narrow. I agree with PNT that the title is too specific. Have other animals been used to get fraudulent diplomas? Is this technique used to identify fraud in other countries? If yes, it's probably a good idea to change this into a list of animals which have received fraudulent diplomas, or perhaps a list of educational institutions which have fraudulently given diplomas to animals. For now, leave it as is. The content is informative, well-referenced, and should be useful to anyone researching diploma mills. There's no better place to put it right now, but if other animals are used in this manner, the article should be moved to reflect the broader scope of this practice. --
1692:.Information is information. This is we cited, and potentially useful. Additionally, I would like to point out that we are a rather farcically silly species in terms of our own self importance. Self consciousness has made us both highly socially advanced, and at the same time, completely over complicated. We are so proud very of our gathering and distribution of information, and ever so serious about it. By our definitions, this article is reliably sourced and true information. Perhaps allowing entries like this will help some to realize that and other to remember that there is should be a limit to our pride. At times, that which we define as necessary, important and relevant, can seem a bit ridiculous when put into practice or context. 1848:. OK, undue weight is a good argument to consider. If this article were merged into diploma mill and not condensed and contextualized, it would be an unwieldy section. Actually, renaming to "Animals with fraudulent diplomas" sounds better to me, since this isn't just a list. The article provides detailed information for each item, and the events would make sense in chronological order rather than alphabetical order (because each diploma cat in the news may have influenced the occurence of later diploma cats). The article could also offer a much better introduction, with more of a summary of the contents and more contextualization about efforts to expose diploma mills. 2347:. Though this article is unusual, the nominator has not provided a valid deletion rationale. The article is reliably sourced and since cats with fraudulent diplomas have received non-trivial coverage in reliable, neutral, third-party sources, it's not synthesis to create a list of such cats. The argument for deletions rests mostly on a small-minded and unworthy notion of what an encyclopedia should be; let's reject this and be a better encyclopedia than that. Proposals for rename should be considered, but there is no valid basis for deleting this notable, reliably-sourced content. -- 1771:
internet memes and of general humor, and combined with the seemingly-absurd notion of house pets getting professional degrees, I can see how people think the article should be removed...but behind this mess of facetiousness exist valid information. The articles talks about protest, and the cats were simply a vector for said protest. And even if the article wasn't, and was simply about cats with diplomas...it might seem inane and trivial, but if its well-cited it has conceivable uses and to a degree and is informative in an anthropological sense.
714:, an article which is already disorganized and filled with trivia, would ruin a good article (this one) and make a bad article (the list of cats) worse. Keeping it as its own article will make it easier to attract editors to watch this article and make sure it maintains its current high standard. This article is interesting and informative, has a number of well-researched examples, and will be interesting reading for fans of encyclopedias in general and Knowledge (XXG) in particular. I strongly vote we keep this article around. -- 2299:(another cat on the list of similar incidents), someone apparently decided to repurpose the article as a list. The unintended result of that sensible action is that a perfectly sensible-looking article that had existed for 5 years suddenly started looking frivolous and became a target for deletion. Please keep the article as a consolidated place for information about all of the cats who have received fraudulent degrees. I've revised the intro to provide more emphasis on the serious aspects of the topic. -- 733:. Here's some justification for my idea to merge the article: there are no notable cats with fraudulent diplomas who aren't part of efforts to expose diploma mills. This list covers a real pattern, it involves a significant issue, and there's some reliable news coverage, but focusing on the cats isn't really appropriate for a serious article. It's playing along with the joke offered by the people who have registered their cats — in the service of a larger purpose. But the comparison to 388:. Here's what I said on the talk page before this article was nominated for deletion: "The idea of a "list of cats with fraudulent diplomas" is a little odd and jokey, although the content is reasonable and cited. The significant aspect is not that a series of cats have been awarded fradulent diplomas — it's that people working to expose diploma mills sometimes use cats as funny newsworthy hooks. Maybe this material should instead be included in a section within 1062:. While the article appears to be jokey, it's actually very informative as to the level of fraud that goes on in diploma mills. I don't think a simple mention along the lines of "diploma mills are often so lax as to award diplomas to household pets" cuts it. It's the fact that this can be done routinely, and also the fact that it's on the verge of bebeing a semi-normal journalistic technique in these kinds of investigations. 860:. This is funny, informative and well referenced. I've no way of knowing if it's comprehensive but it is useful information, despite the jokey tone. The idea of showing that a cat's been awarded a diploma is a very effective way of highlighting how daft these degrees are. Plus, given that the internet is largely a resource for documenting cats I think it's important to preserve pages outlining their achievements :) 2461:. The subject is notable (Henriette Goldacre alone has had plenty of media coverage; the coverage is about the integrity of academic qualifications, and is not merely celebrity puffery); the article is well-sourced (and thus not OR); and for similar reasons, verifiable. But separating cats from dogs does appear to be undue weight. And my word, there are some peculiar single-purpose and IP votes on both sides here. 251: 973:. No RS discusses the notability (or actuality) of the practice of people in general getting degrees for their dogs. Its SYNTHESIS of the worst kind, a COATRACK of individual Dog Degree incidents being turned into a social trend by editors here. Knowledge (XXG) is not a Sociologist. Yes, I am comparing Dog Lovers to 1572:
to rename this as "List of fake diploma mill registrations", which is worth discussing as a way to focus on the significant issue (exposing fradulent diplomas) rather than the gimmick (cats, and a single dog). The only issue with that proposed title is that it sounds like it could cover both notable
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and rename. Well referenced, informative, factual, and too long to merge into the article on diploma mills. Should be retitled "animals with fraudulent diplomas" perhaps? What makes this worth keeping is that it is not just a list of people being silly with their cats, it is a series of cases where
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It seems to me that the opposition to the articles stems from the fact that it seems silly and moronic, given its subject matter...and because encyclopaedias must be of a completely pedantic and academic nature, it isn't appropriate for Knowledge (XXG). There is a fundamental flaw in this logic. It
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and are entirely non-notable outside that context. Without knowing the diploma mill context, the meaning of this list appears absurd at best. I am not opposed to the "List of fake diploma mill registrations" renaming idea, but isolating cats as fake diploma recipients does not add anything to the
365:. It doesn't make a difference who or what the entity is getting a fraudulent diploma. There may be a trend that those doing the exposure choose a cat as the subject, but there's no real reason why that should be so, except habit. It would be a good idea to include any cited material in either the 1334:
are not valid rationales to nominate this article for deletion in the least. The template added by Edgarde in an effort to invalidate all keep votes is absolutely petty. The arguments to keep this article are sound, and no template will fool any administrator with the least bit of competency. The
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and it focused on a particularly well-known case of a cat with a fraudulent diploma. (Colby's degree actually helped with the successful fraud prosecution of one diploma mill.) Apparently someone concluded that that Colby was more notable than the diploma mill that awarded Colby's degree, so the
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The basis for an article isn't the emotive response we have to the subject matter, but rather its contexts and the information that it contains--and as long as it relevant to human existence and contains significant, cited information, it's perfectly appropriate. Cats may often be the subject of
2649:- A valid article that encompasses well-sources, notable, and perfectly acceptable content. I see no compelling reason to simply delete it. That said, I think it would be better as a general article rather than a list. However editorial decisions are beyond the scope of AfDs, so I vote "keep". – 1416:
for indiscriminate information. The buying of diplomas for cats as a demonstration of the lack of legitimacy of the diploma mills is already covered in the redirect target article. No sources are cited showing that the topic of "cats with fake diplomas" or "goldfish with diplomas" or "dogs with
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The content is encyclopedic, it should be in Knowledge (XXG). I don't see any compelling argument why this content should be deleted. Two people have voted to delete, JBsupreme and Piano non troppo. JBsupreme has offered no persuasive argument of any kind. Piano non troppo seems to consider the
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is helpful — I might argue that those dogs would be more interesting as part of an article about wartime morale-boosting efforts, but that would be an oversimplified interpretation of the reasons why there are wartime dogs. I think the reasons are more clear in the list of cats with fraudulent
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I've moved some of the comments down to their proper places in the sequence (including one about self-importance; the irony!). And I've added a talk header as a reminder, though I'm surprised it's necessary. I've also taken a couple of the single-purpose tags out; the contributors have other
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on this one. The title is just so ridiculously funny, it charmed the hell out of me, and I would consider it a loss to the encyclopedia if it were deleted. On policy grounds I could point to the article's length and say that it is worthy of a separate article, as part of a "series" with
1140:. The article seems well cited. I would, however, consider potentially merging the dogs and cats articles in to a joint animals article, to avoid a proliferation of related articles. I don't see how this article is any different from many of the other more obscure pages wikipedia has. 2521:, et. al. The general subject of fraud is clearly important, and the use of named, living (or once living) co-inhabitants (pets) has sufficient emotional appeal that it suggests that there may be an important part of human physiology and psychology involved, such as 1352:
and agree on the snowball. It's been a while since I've seen an article this well sourced show up in AfD. Discussion about merging with new corresponding Dog article might be useful (and is the only reason I can see for even bothering to keep this vote open).
1284:), so why get everyone upset about it by deleting a verifiable list. Once again wikipedia randomly observes something over time (the use of cats to ferret out diploma mills) and cements the existence of it of a concept (the article was originally titled as 2581:(though merge content from the dog and other such articles). Well-sourced, with a clear criterion for inclusion. The phenomenon (of people registering pets for qualifications in institutions with low standards for admission) is well-established. — 1501:- It's informative and notable, and if some people want to take umbrage that the article also happens to be funny, that's their problem - it doesn't outweigh the right of the rest of us to read it and be both informed and entertained thereby. -- 215: 448:- Just because an article is amusing doesn't mean it isn't also informative. It is, of course, niche useful information, but so is 99% of wikipedia. It's funny and it's well cited. It's funny and good. It should be kept. 52:, the probability of this discussion resulting in consensus to delete the article is minuscule, and so there is little point in prolonging it. Renaming suggestions and merge proposals are welcome on the article talkpage. 1628:
No !vote, just a note to any passing admins to say that permission is granted for a snow closure. "Merge" and "keep" are effectively interchangeable outcomes at AfD, and the merger discussions can continue on the talk
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may seem "silly" to us, but so are many other articles--I'm sure that many people would agree that the subject of "pubic hair" is often a humorous one, yet there persists to be an article about it on Knowledge (XXG).
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a notable topic, and there are many reliable sources in the article supporting that. As mentioned above, there really isn't a reason to distinguish between dogs and cats here; the notablity does not come from a
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I'm certain that you understand that the problem with a List of celebrities with blue eyes is not a problem of synthesis. If you're not aware of this I will ask you to take the time to actually read
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when created in December 2004, and was only renamed about 10 days ago). By the way, in searching the subject, I ran across the story of Tobias F. (for Feline) Schaeffer and added it to the article.--
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coverage in secondary sources, shown by the fact that most are only attributed to one source. Also, aggregation of these non-notable cats into a list does not qualify the subject as notable.
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We cannot prove that each of the cats did not actually earn their diplomas. Since Reliable Sources reported on it, we should let that guide us rather than the silliness of the topic.
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SYNTHESIS. This, much like the Dog article, is a COATRACK, and OR, as none of the reliable sources discuss a trend in generalised cat degree taking. I've been through this before at
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people have used animals to demonstrate the issuing of fraudulent diplomas, leading to at least one court case. I do not see the need for it to be entitled as a list format, though.
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as Dreamyshade suggests. The practice of registering pets as a means of exposing fraudulent universities is something that should be covered, and the best place to do that is in the
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but possibly rename. I've just redirected the article about dogs with diplomas here because it's silly one-item list. So the article should cover diploma mills cases in general. --
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would degrade the quality of that article by giving undue weight to this particular topic, which does (surprisingly) merit the detailed sort of treatment it's been given so far.
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why cats? have other animals/objects also been used this way? shouldnt the article be about, "fradulent diplos given to nonexistent people"? i support renaming if its kept.
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perhaps as part of "List of fake diploma mill registrations" - good idea, good list, good research, good cites. I'm a long time editor and vested inclusionist. --
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discussion of fake diplomas in general. Tomorrow I will sign both of my Bearded Dragons up for degrees in astrophysics; will there be a page for reptiles too?
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before I will discuss it further. By the way, these aren't famous cats that happen to have fraudulent diplomas. These are cats that are only significant
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per Dreamyshade. I fear that this will fall upon deaf ears, however. Reviewing admin needs to carefully consider value of some of the keep !votes. --
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would bloat that article too much. The purpose of this list is to provide a very strong and easy to grasp argument about how diploma mills work.
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Yes, there are animals with fradulent diplomas. I do not see a solid rationale for why they should be corraled into a list format, though.
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It's well cited, it's interesting, it's well written, and it covers a serious topic: fraudulent degrees. People have been fired for less.
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does not apply since it doesn't "advance a position"; it's simply a list. Merging it with the dogs might be a good idea though.
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The stories we tell, and even the frauds we perpetrate, tell us things about ourselves as people. This is cultural history.
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Is there a global trend of cats and dogs getting dubious diplomas? If not, these funny but isolated incidents are better for
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from me—while these cats are not individually notable, these appear to be separate, sourced instances of diplomas granted. /
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article is well sourced and clearly notable, and if someone gets butthurt and doesn't like it, that's just too damn bad.
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article, or in the article for the responsible company. Even if that's not done, the article doesn't need to be in Wiki.
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in the same category. That was a weak article with no references that was created just yesterday with a grand total of
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Well sourced, interesting and informative. I would also like to see a page on 'List of cats with legitimate diplomas'.
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in the same category. That was a weak article with no references that was created just yesterday with a grand total of
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is a very bad idea, since it isn't notable in regard to exposing diploma mills; if anything, it should be merged into
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Lots of single purpose accounts seem to be chiming in as "Keep." Was this publicized on a bulletin board somewhere?
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problem, each instance seems properly referenced. Also, this article is getting lots of notice outside wikipedia (
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where people are willing to COATRACK any individual paragraph of verifiable material without realising that the
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Then perhaps you should take four seconds to read the keep votes that give strong arguments, much stronger than
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that
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diplomas. I agree that this list shouldn't be stuffed into a place where it would be forgotten, though.
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I like it. I find the information interesting and of value. There are enough entries to warrant a page.
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efforts to expose fraud and notable instances of people who have been caught with fake diplomas.
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to this discussion, which has recently been created and which ought to receive the same outcome.
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Update to my vote: I am also OK with renaming. See my comments below at 21:03, 6 November 2009.
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See my comment above, this article is being posted about all over the place on the internet.--
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Please note that JBSupreme is the nominator, and his rationale essentially is a copy-paste of
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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And there's also lots of Keep votes from veterans that provide valid rationales. Apparently
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focused on Colby Nolan and contained a short list of "similar incidents". After the recent
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unrelated edits, so it looks like a put-down. as for the subject; it's a laugh, isn't it?
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article as a whole is not notable as the topic itself is not sustained in reliable sources
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an informative and encyclopedic article on a notable subject. This nomination reeks of
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Pretty funny. Not sure that the connection is anything more than tenuous, but ok.
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Nonetheless, you are welcome to participate and express your opinions. Remember to
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as of this morning, which will generate an unusual amount of interest.
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article. Listing each and every instance is silly and unnecessary.
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a cat who rescued her kittens from a burning building in Brooklyn
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they have fraudulent diplomas. See the big difference? --
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List of cats with fraudulent diplomas
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