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328:. Entirely unreferenced, and reads like original research. The main characters should get their fair treatment in the main article, being backed up by sources, but this is too plot-intense and contains no encyclopedic analysis of these characters. If reliable sources pop up in the future, this list can be recreated from a different vantage point. 417:
and add it to the main article, that can easily be done without sinking all that material into a page history. Same with anything one believes to be 'game guide' material; it can be deleted if necessary. A keep vote allows the unhampered improvement of both articles, which seems to be the concern of most voters.
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Remember that a 'merge' vote means, a redirect to the main article. This page will still exist, but be blank except for the redirect, the history will still be there, but it can only be accessed by a search for "List of characters in SaGa Frontier". If editors want to take material from this article
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to the parent article, where appropriate. Like a couple others, I don't believe that the main article length is a valid reason to create new articles with unsourced and unverified information. If a main article has too much of it, the proper way of handling it is to tag the suspect information,
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What exactly is in this list article that makes it too long to be in the main article? As it stands right now everything is unreferenced not verified and written as a how to game guide. The only fix i can see is to (Though again, my subject knowledge on this game isnt high I only played it for 30
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The article reads as a how to guide to the game to me. It could be re written with proper secondary sources (which dont seem to even be there). My worry though is if it were re written with proper sourceing the article would be the same size as the main
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mins 10 years ago) reduce the text about the characters to what is in the main article already as noted by the nominator, which makes a merge more appropriate. I think the article needs desperate attention in order to address the concerns raised.
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are an integral part of its ambitious Free Scenario System. There is a separate storyline and a main quest for each one of the characters; some of the main characters even encounter each other, as player character meeting non-player character. -
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page anyway. I also fear that with these sources which probably would come from a game guide anyway it would still read as a how to guide. Im leaning towards delete but i think theres a possibility to save the article with
307:, which (IMO) isn't an acceptable state. Suck it up and figure out what parts of the plot are relevant and which aren't; don't just throw every PC into a single list article and call it a day. 241:, and this article certainly does not. In that case, the content should have been deleted for being non-notable, and as it's definitely somewhere else on the internet, it's no great loss.-- 88: 83: 92: 75: 128:
This article is listcruft, and is not wikified, referenced, and does not have any reality-based information. The short character list in the article itself should be enough.
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While the article certainly needs improvement, it is a legitimate spinout from the main article to keep it from growing too long.
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per the text that I added to the article, a contraction of text from the main article: "The seven playable protagonists in
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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followed by deleting it out if no one responds in a timely fashion.
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of work if someone knowledgeable to the subject can invest the time
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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12:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
List of characters in SaGa Frontier
List of characters in SaGa Frontier
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history
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View log
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18:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
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list of video game related deletion discussions
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