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organized usefully by controlling country. To delete an article because it "might grow too large" is a strange reason, given that we have several methods of dealing with such articles, such as splitting them. Deleting an article because it might have POV problems is equally strange, because probably all the content in WP dealing with politics or history has POV problems. Difficult to verifiably maintain is strange, since there is no evidence that it is not well maintained--and in any case is an editing problem. I remind my colleague above about the usefulness of saying per nom without further explanation--it doesn't show that one has even read the AfD, let alone the article. And what is one supposed to reply. "anti-nom"? Let's have a real discussion here.
48:. Strongly urge to make use of right columns (perhaps structure this in tables, supplanting and supplementing the templates). Renaming is also an option, as is reorganizing. It's obvious merging is likely to detract from the holistic scope of this list —which some view as desirable, while others maintain some overlap to be unavoidable— and this decision is left for discussion elsewhere. 234:. Uhm. I need a little help parsing the opening statement .. the stated inclusion criterion of this list is convoluted. This list needs to either be pared down and renamed to reflect some kind of quantifiable purpose, or just deleted outright. As it stands it is open to include literally any political entity in the world. 83: 78: 87: 70: 120:
indiscriminate collection of loosely related things. Also, unnreferenced, POV and difficult to verifiably maintain. The definition says:"widely varied spectrum of colonies, protectorates, mandates, trust territories, occupied or annexed states, dependent territories and other political entities that
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clear. In particular, "occupied or annexed" covers basically the whole history of civilization territorial movements. The criterion is extremely vague. People even still don't agree what "colony" is. "Subjected to another sovereign power": was France "subjected to sovereign power of Vatican? After
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Seems to be a fairly good job. the dates provide the basic information, & the articles on the countries will give the details,. Indiscriminate means applying no criterion for discrimination, and there is a very clear one: those area... The list further fulfills the purpose of a list by being
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To be useful, this list would have to be a table, with on one axis, every year from 1500 to 2007, and on the other axis, every colony, protectorate, possession, dominion, satellite, dependency, mandate, condominium, province, and occupied territory that has switched allegiance at one time or the
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This is an excellent, intelligently organized table that sums up the history of colonialism and the age of imperialism about as concisely as I've ever seen. Without judgment, it simply lists when a current nation was once under the administration of another nation. It wasn't that long ago
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Poorly conceived, poorly defined, poorly titled, far too open to debate. I would say it is rather indescriminate, as the criteria are far too general, vague, and contains far too many poorly defined terms or concepts. Categories would work far better in organizing this disparate material.
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were (or in some cases are) subjected to another sovereign power, or in (de facto unequal) personal union," There were thousands of wars and country expansions in human history during which someone "sontrolled" something else. This list may easily contain tens of thousands entries. `'
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May just need some clean-up in areas & better titled, but overall still informative & more sourcing could be looked into, if given the time & effort to get them. If defined better or even specifically split up in separate articles may help keep it in better shape.
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all, Pope could excommunicate a king. This article is an arbitrary collection. If there are salvageable, well-defined pieces, by all means save them before deletion. There is no problem with GFDL, because non-creative, purely compilative lists are not copyrightable. `'
446: 414: 402: 389: 361: 348: 335: 311: 299: 258: 245: 222: 210: 192: 178: 158: 144: 125: 52: 74: 66: 58: 110: 433: 17: 354: 410:. A highly useful list for historical research -- though I think a chronological scheme of organization would suit it better. 271: 459: 36: 428:, which is much more informative and better organised (and that's saying a lot, since it's tagged to be cleaned-up!); 267: 429: 398:(relatively speaking) that the sun never set on the British Empire. Now it sets at 8:35 pm, tomorrow at 8:33. 458:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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True there is a slice, although the USA (& the Russians) reserves the right to claim, but the
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Damm! I forgot... uh, there's a slice of Antarctica that's not claimed by any country?...--
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List of colonial, imperial and otherwise controlled foreign territories by dominant power
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List of colonial, imperial and otherwise controlled foreign territories by dominant power
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per DGG (except for his last two sentences; "per nom" can be a legitimate comment).
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First, I'd like to point out that this list is highly redundant to
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or something like that, where the inclusion criteria is strict.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
307:-it appears too vague to be functional in its current form. -- 278:, etc) such a huge list is unnecessary. Phrases such as 100: 96: 92: 266:, that kind of lists are difficult to maintain and 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 462:). No further edits should be made to this page. 442:other. That list would be slightly cumbersome-- 8: 282:may attract edit wars or flaming, and as 183:My nomination is exactly because it is 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 286:said categories would work better. — 202:I'd much rather filter this down to 355:Russians claim even the North pole 24: 374:currently over-rides all claims. 353:Are you kidding? Of course not. 436:that in turn list territories. 1: 272:Antarctic territorial claims 479: 447:11:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC) 415:01:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC) 403:00:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC) 390:16:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC) 362:16:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC) 349:00:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC) 336:00:20, 28 July 2007 (UTC) 322:occupied by Allied forces 312:23:46, 27 July 2007 (UTC) 300:23:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC) 259:22:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC) 246:21:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC) 223:21:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC) 211:20:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC) 204:Nations who were colonies 193:19:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC) 179:18:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC) 159:17:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC) 145:16:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC) 126:16:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC) 53:18:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC) 455:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 372:Antarctic Treaty System 134:as per nom and as per 232:Rewrite completely 470: 457: 296: 291: 108: 90: 34: 478: 477: 473: 472: 471: 469: 468: 467: 466: 460:deletion review 453: 425:List of empires 387:That-Vela-Fella 324:after WWII. :) 294: 289: 280:American Empire 81: 65: 62: 44:The result was 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 476: 474: 465: 464: 449: 438: 437: 417: 405: 392: 378: 377: 376: 375: 368: 367: 366: 365: 364: 339: 338: 320:But Japan was 315: 314: 302: 276:British Empire 261: 248: 225: 213: 197: 196: 195: 161: 148: 147: 115: 114: 61: 56: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 475: 463: 461: 456: 450: 448: 445: 440: 439: 435: 432:of them have 431: 427: 426: 421: 418: 416: 413: 409: 406: 404: 401: 396: 393: 391: 388: 383: 380: 379: 373: 369: 363: 360: 356: 352: 351: 350: 347: 343: 342: 341: 340: 337: 334: 333: 329: 328: 323: 319: 318: 317: 316: 313: 310: 306: 303: 301: 298: 297: 292: 285: 281: 277: 273: 269: 265: 262: 260: 257: 252: 249: 247: 244: 243: 239: 238: 233: 229: 226: 224: 221: 217: 214: 212: 209: 205: 201: 198: 194: 191: 186: 182: 181: 180: 176: 172: 171: 165: 162: 160: 157: 153: 150: 149: 146: 143: 141: 137: 133: 130: 129: 128: 127: 124: 119: 112: 106: 102: 98: 94: 89: 85: 80: 76: 72: 68: 64: 63: 60: 57: 55: 54: 51: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 454: 451: 423: 419: 412:RandomCritic 407: 394: 381: 331: 326: 304: 287: 263: 250: 241: 236: 231: 227: 215: 199: 184: 168: 163: 151: 131: 117: 116: 46:no consensus 45: 43: 31: 28: 444:Victor falk 395:Strong Keep 346:Victor falk 305:Weak Delete 220:Newyorkbrad 136:WP:NOT#INFO 154:per nom. 434:infoboxes 400:Mandsford 200:Weak Keep 156:Oli Filth 284:Agent 86 256:Agent 86 111:View log 420:Comment 290:Shining 84:protect 79:history 268:verify 264:Delete 251:Delete 228:Delete 152:Delete 132:Delete 118:Delete 88:delete 359:Míkka 309:Haemo 208:Corpx 190:Míkka 123:Míkka 105:views 97:watch 93:links 16:< 430:many 408:Keep 382:Keep 357:! `' 295:Eyes 216:Keep 175:talk 164:Keep 101:logs 75:talk 71:edit 50:El_C 332:ʏɑɴ 327:ɑʀк 242:ʏɑɴ 237:ɑʀк 230:or 185:not 170:DGG 140:DES 109:– ( 274:, 177:) 138:. 103:| 99:| 95:| 91:| 86:| 82:| 77:| 73:| 173:( 113:) 107:) 69:(

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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El_C
18:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
List of colonial, imperial and otherwise controlled foreign territories by dominant power
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16:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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16:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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19:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Nations who were colonies

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