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468:"Characters" pages certainly do not cover the same ground. And is it kosher to do an AFD without any discussion or even mention on the talk page? And while I have the article on my "Watch" list, I didn't notice this change till today, as adding the AFD tag was described, very disingenuously I think, as "add missing tag", so I didn't bother to even look at the page when I saw the notification. Was that deliberate? And doing it at Christmas also seems designed to get under the radar of interested parties. And -- the link to "this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page" is broken/red, by design, accident or carelessness, I don't know. Took me 10 minutes to find this page. 631:. More "encyclopedic" perhaps since most of these creatures are closely based on known real animals, whose entries are cross-referenced when possible. Since many creatures appear in more than one episode, a reference amalgamating these appearances and background on the real creatures that they are based on is a useful reference; and inevitably pages for individual creatures will keep being recreated if the list page is deleted. 517:
could even find this page, linked to the date. That removed any initial assumption of good will. What do you mean by "series already has a List of Primeval characters"? Are you suggesting all the beasts should be put there? Doesn't seem appropriate. And my other reasons for "Keep" have been expressed well enough by others, above and in the previous AFD, so I will just add my vote.
717:. Helps keep the kiddies off the scientific articles describing the animals this series is based upon. ;) More seriously, it looks like there are references, so someone has tried to keep the article in halfway decent shape. No reason to delete something someone found useful enough to add this many citations to. 383:
but it needs serious work, particularly distinguishing the background about the RL creatures from their role in the series. I'm glad we've gotten away from the absurdity of trying to make individual articles on each individual creature, as we might have done 2 years ago. I don't see any real overlap
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I am a disinterested party to the contents of the article, but I find the discussion about timing and flagging to be of interest. How the AfD was done, and its timing, are not directly relevant to the suitability of the end-product article. However, adding another 7 days to this discussion should
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This is the proper way to handle such lists, and notability has not somehow evaporated in the two years since the last "keep". It has not been abandoned since then, receiving some care and attention. What is prudent is to encourage more, not delete. Further, "characters" and "creatures" are not
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It still looks very suspicious. Everything seemed to have been designed to let it slip by without anyone noticing and made it difficult to object. Just putting "add missing tag" for an AFD? Give me a break. I had to troll back and forward through the history to find when the AFD was made before I
490:. Twinkle messed up in adding the tag, so I fixed it, and didn't realize the template didn't pick up the page name the way it made it sound like it would. Doing it on Christmas is irrelevant. Knowledge is active enough, the AfD is 7 days long, and not everyone celebrates. Why don't you reread 325:
Did you actually look at those sources? The Digital Spy article is about Flemyng and Rouass joining the cast, and is not significant coverage of neither the "Dracorex" section where it is used nor the topic as a whole. The Radio Times article is an interview with the creators and again, not
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That is really not a useful suggestion. He obviously found the AfD fairly quickly, and it was easily findable by looking on the AfD log. At most, extending it 4 days because that's how long it took anyone to notice the link was broken is all that would be needed. --
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Not "easily". It took 10 minutes screwing around, no thanks to you. Not everyone is as familiar as you with the "AFD log" and how it works. And who knows how many people gave up on the dead link you made supposedly to this
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for discussions specific creators relavant to the series. Bulk of article "sources" are from the series and other primarily sources, with other actual reliable sources being used for
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and then rethink your "keep" argument, which doesn't even give a keep reason beyond you seem to mistakenly think it was done in a bad manner and like it. --
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significant coverage of neither the "Pristichampsus" nor the topic as a whole. The Metro article never even MENTIONS the series at all, it is purely about
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You complained I didn't explain my reasoning before, so I expanded on it. I'm sure they can count unique votes without your help.
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the same, and the implied merging of these listed creatures into the list of Primeval characters would A) woefully overburden
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No, this is not. There is a major difference (and please don't presume to guess what I think about the character list). --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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to "prove" personal views about the creators while not actually referencing the series. --
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series. No significant coverage in reliable, third party sources, and series already has a
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be acceptable to both sides, and put an end to the potential for incivility.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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Those are editorial issues and are not excuses to delete articles.
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A useful list for those seeking information on a notable subject.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Struck as this editor has already stated keep before. --
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