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laws based on them, then the article would be valid for Knowledge. The one entry that stands out now is the one that states there were 130,000 people signing a petition. But the reference links to a totally unrelated article about a cat. Also, was it groups signing a petition, or sending in their signature, or just internet voting, and can you be certain it was accurate? If someone were to find a list of all the laws passed about animal cruelty in Canada throughout history, and see if any actual cases sparked them, then that'd certainly be encyclopedic.
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earlier discussions still applies (and thanks to nom for the citation!): no matter how appalling these people's actions may be, Knowledge does not exist as the public shaming wall for every last dumbass who happens to commit a crime, and no evidence has been presented that any of these people, or their acts of animal cruelty, have attained sufficient
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Since there are thousands of cases of animal cruelty that are mentioned in the news each year, I don't think you can possibly list all of them. If someone could find cases that were notable based on them resulting in sufficiently large protest or petitions, or having elected officials pass stronger
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living people in the article and not just naming them in the context of a narrative depiction of an overall story — Iists of smooshed-together biographies of non-notable people are still biographies of non-notable people no matter what the article's title is or isn't. That said, my argument in the
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satisfy the specific conditions under which you are allowed to include information about BLP1E's in Knowledge. (You might want, for starters, to think very carefully about the rather big difference between "article about an event" and "list of (unrelated) events".) Any information at all about a
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I disagree that BLP1E applies to something else than independent biographical articles, and also I disagree a list of events is akin to a list of BLPs. You are conflating "BLP, broadly meaning, applies to every part of WP" (true) with the fact that there is a section of BLPs that talks about a
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article, regardless of its title, that contains information about living people at all. It doesn't matter whether the information is sitting in a standalone bio or a subsection of a list — if it contains any information about a living person at all, it's still subject to all the BLP rules.
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Yep. Nobody is defending the morally bankrupt jackasses that abuse animals, but this is not the village stocks, it is an encyclopedia and IAR is not applicable as what you propose does not improve the encyclopedia, which is the one and only reason for ignoring a rule.
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Yes, they are still subject to BLP1E. This is not an article about a single event in which these people played properly sourced roles within a narrative depiction of that single event — it's just a list of discrete, unrelated events whose
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only three days earlier. This is basically a matter of G4 via different means and is pretty poor form. The handful of minor cases added since to make this article more substantive isn't convincing. This is just a way to sidestep
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I'm voting keep on IAR grounds. Any low-life that beats an animal needs to have their name put into cyberspace for eternity, same is true for any low-life that beats a child. I say name 'em and shame 'em
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an article about a specific event in which these six people all had defined, verifiable roles; it's just a list of non-notable BLPs made over in unconvincing "but it's a list of events!" drag that does
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Surely they are, but they are not subject to BLP1E. This is an article about the events. I understand this is going to be a snow delete, but I'm perplexed about the way policy is twisted here. --
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Being in the news does not in itself mean that someone should be the subject of a Knowledge article. We should generally avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met:
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is the subsection of that policy that specifically applies to the existence of an independent article for people of low notability and known only for one event. That's what it forbids. It
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Agreed. Even if I'm the lonely keep !vote above, for sure name-and-shame is not the reason I feel this should be kept, and it should not be actually the reason for any decision here.--
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Nothing in BLP1E states or even implies that it only applies to one particular type of article; rather, it governs what we can and cannot write about people who fall under BLP1E in
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substantive content is formerly four, now suddenly six smooshed-together BLPs. If, say, instead of animal cruelty charges these people were being discussed for their roles in the
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If you wanted to start your own separate "name and shame the lowlifes" website somewhere else, I wouldn't stop you. But that is not, and will not become, Knowledge's role.
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violations by themselves, but BLP1E applies to the existence of a separate, individual article. There is just some trimming to be made here and there in the text. --
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Note: given the WP:BLP policy issues raised during discussions at the previous AfD's for the Whitlock and Lucas articles, I have asked for input on this article at
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But a list article where all 4 entries would not be considered noteworthy enough to remain cannot be trimmed, simply cleared, which doesn't really get anywhere.--
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That quote certainly precludes standalone articles about BLP1Es, I won't (and didn't) argue with that. But it doesn't contain even one word which
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concerns (which have not been rebutted and in fact were reinforced by some comments), and the fact that at least part of the article falls under
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The user who created these articles and strongest advocate for their existence during the AfD stated he would keep them on the encyclopedia by
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living person still has to pass BLP1E conditions: you cannot, for instance, get around them just by merging the exact same information into a
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as well). I agree entries should be trimmed, but this is a mere editing issue. So far everything seems fairly sourced, so I see no serious
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of the articles violated BLP1E, but most material is germane and well sourced, and therefore suitable to a more general parent article.--
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a Knowledge article that ostensibly discusses the nominal subject, but in reality is a cover for a tangentially related biased subject.
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I am pretty much opposed to any "list of every incident of a very common type ever" on general principle, and this one is obviously a
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the fact that you could neither add personal information to the main article nor spin off separate standalone biographies. It's the
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Name-and-shame is not Knowledge's role. Campaigns against animal cruelty are great, but they must not be conducted at Knowledge.
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on the grounds that that's the type of animal he was convicted of cruelty toward, BLP1E would suddenly be applicable directly to
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In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article.
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and this "article" is just the result of you not liking those results. Take your list-of-deleted-content idea to
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article — but you would still be violating BLP1E if you added personal information about their private lives
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A list is not simply a collection of material found too BLP-violating to be included in its own article.--
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for ridiculous BLP concerns and the article's fundamental nature as, as Laurent puts it, a coatrack for
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including only local bank heists, grocery store robberies, and carjackings to shame specific people.
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covers what type of content the event's article is or isn't allowed to contain about the person.
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of unrelated non-notable incidents instead of six separate unrelated non-notable biographies.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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as long as that information was present in the article — and even if you give the article a
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issues that pertained to the separate articles. Rather, BLP rules including BLP1E
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Your "list" is just a compilation of material previously deleted by community
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certain type of articles. However thank you for clarifying your position. --
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which was basically a cut-paste combination of the two articles deleted by
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or annotated list is allowed at Knowledge. Each item on the list is
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with several citations from internationally recognized third-party
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of the event itself, or if you created a separate non-narrative
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List of cruelty to animal incidents in Canada
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