585:: I'm not sure what the point of this is, not commenting one way or other, but I have often wanted a list of "defunct public companies" or companies that had public stock ( and presumably some really seductive stories ) and then went under. Obviously you think about the dot com bubble, but these recurr in biotech quite often and of course many companies did well for a while but nothing lasts forever. The purpose of this is to have failures to analyze and get more prespective on companies and invesmtents. Bubbles and hype have been a huge problem lately. While I personally think much of this is intentional as responsibility for money has been delegated to people with various incentive conflicts ( I have constantly defended the FDA on similar issues but they are often accused of financial conflicts too), negative controls may make investors more prudent in the future. I'm not trying to moralize but just suggesting that there are a many researchers who could benefit and the same sources ( primary and secondary ) that would have been annoying hype prior to the company's failures make a good entry after the case is closed on the company. Just something to consider.
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